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From: simpson@poseidon.uucp (Scott Simpson)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: Eiffel vs. C++
Message-ID: <5027@wiley.UUCP>
Date: 13 Jun 89 04:40:53 GMT
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In article <151@eiffel.UUCP> bertrand@eiffel.UUCP (Bertrand Meyer) writes:
=    At the 1988 edition of OOPSLA (the ACM conference on
=object-oriented programming), a well-known and respected
=Professor from a university on the East Coast invited me
=to participate in a panel at the next conference
=(New Orleans, early October 1989). The idea for the panel was
=to discuss the designs of major object-oriented languages, with
=the Eiffel, Smalltalk, C++ and Objective-C viewpoints presented
=respectively by myself, Dr. Adele Goldberg from ParcPlace, Dr. Bjarne
=Stroustrup from AT&T and Dr. Brad Cox from Stepstone. This looked liked a
=great idea and I agreed immediately.
=
=    Some time later I was told that I was out of the panel. The reason:
=Dr. Stroustrup had declared that he would not participate if I did.
=Perhaps even more stunning than Dr. Stroustrup's reaction was the panel
=organizer's apparent inference that, if A refuses to be on a panel with B
=(who himself welcomes the opportunity), then B should be excluded.
=Then as now I did not understand why the inference is not that A must be
=taken to his word.

In article <9438@alice.UUCP> bs@alice.UUCP (Bjarne Stroustrup) writes:
=Bertrand Meyer, president of Interactive Software Engineering, the
=supplier of Eiffel, is correct on one point:  I did refuse to appear on
=a panel with him.  My reasons are personal.  He has insulted my friends

This is censorship and this sucks.  I would have kicked you off the panel.
Am I the only one who finds this behavior reprehensible?  The panel chair
who withdrew his offer to Dr. Meyer gets an F for bad judgement too.
	Scott Simpson
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