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From: mjl@cs.rit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: Eiffel vs. C++
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Date: 14 Jun 89 23:03:18 GMT
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In article <9456@alice.UUCP> bs@alice.UUCP (Bjarne Stroustrup) writes:
>Bertrand Meyer's company's use of
>AT&T's name and quotes from my copyrighted works in its advertising
>(without permission, of course) is also available for all to see.

I don't want to get bogged down in the name calling and other
vituperative rantings and ravings that have been going on in these
newsgroups, but this sentence intimates that ISE and Dr. Meyer have
done something improper with Dr. Stroustrup's work and AT&T's name.  I
assume Dr.  Stroustrup refers to ads such as the one in the July 1988
issue of IEEE Software (inside the front cover).  If so, then two
points must be made:

1. Three of the four quotes refer to an article by Dr. Stroustrup in IEEE
Software, and, as a member of the editorial board, I know that the copyright
belongs to the IEEE (this is standard policy).

2. All of the quotes are short, and properly cited in the ad.  As such, they
are covered by the fair use doctrine, and ISE has done nothing improper
in using them.  I'll leave it to others to determine whether or not the
quotations were used out of context.

3. The only reference to AT&T is in a footnote attached to a table comparing
C++ to Eiffel, and simply is used to document the version of the C++ compiler
used in the comparisons.  Rather than slandering AT&T, this provides a
service to readers of the ad.

In short, there seems to be little basis for this particular complaint.
Mike Lutz	Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester NY
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