Xref: utzoo comp.sys.amiga:35580 comp.sys.amiga.tech:5718 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!apple!oliveb!amiga!boing!unland From: unland@boing.UUCP (Rick Unland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.tech Subject: Re: Request for testers for Color X11 for Amiga Message-ID: <807@boing.UUCP> Date: 18 Jun 89 22:30:38 GMT References: <788@boing.UUCP> <566@bnr-fos.UUCP> <1148@jimi.cs.unlv.edu> <795@boing.UUCP> <19430@cup.portal.com> Reply-To: unland@boing.UUCP (Rick Unland) Organization: Boing, Milpitas, Ca. Lines: 62 newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga In article <19430@cup.portal.com> stephan@cup.portal.com (Stephen Derek Schaem) writes: >But you should think that to run X on an Amiga it will cost you near >10,000$ to have something correct! I do not know where you are getting your prices from! An A2500 only lists for 4700 or there abouts. X11 is 399 and I think the mouse is 125.00. The last is the ethernet card and those go for 899. if I recall right. So far were around 6200. and I am at the high end of the Amiga market. Lets talk about a 1disk 500 running X over the serial line. I certainly do not think you can spend 10,000 on this setup. >And if people are looking at prices around for a computer having X,Ethernet, >VM,HD,Good GFX etc. The amiga wont be in the first place, and the power/price >will not make up! Well being in the Amiga sales staff of Commodore I think I am a little better qualified to make that judgemnet. I am personaly aware of multiple firms looking at the Amiga and X11 to replace systems allready online. They also feel the Amiga to be much better than an X terminal without resources( A net Hog). > First draw back is in GFX, even a 2500 with a flicker fixer and 19" monitor >will only have a max of 640x400, You should be able to open around window >of that size without overlaping... In this I agree that opening a widow of 640x400 without overlapping is the best way to go but we do have the moniterm 19" with 1024 x 800 that would allow just that. Also in this respect there is not always a reason to have that large a window open. > Memory, a 2500 is limited to 4 meg?isnt it? And if you need 3 meg that left >1 to the user! and if they remap ROM it will be a joke. First if you want to talk 32 bit exclusive than yes the A2620 boards in the A2500 are limited to only 4 megs. But this still allows system memory to expand using the 16bit bus giving system (9Megs Total)! The other alternative is to use a third party acclerator like the CSA or the GVP's or Hurricane systems which allow expansion of the thirtytwo bit bus beyond these limits. And if you do then I think you won't mind giving up the 256k of ram needed for fastrom. Tell me how many PC's do you know of that can have 24 megabytes of Ram? > All I want to say is, you project is GREAT but it wont push people how want >X to get an Amiga for the job.If they are not using the amiga itself they >wont find X atrective runing on an amiga. > But if there is a A3000 it shouldnt be without it! It seems strange to tell someone their project is great at the end of a message like this. Also maybe you should check into the market place a little more before you state what that market will or will not accept. The Amiga with X11 offers far more than just another Xterminal. You also get all the resources of Amiga and that incudes a lot of access to worlds that X doesn't presently fullfill the needs of. And there is one thing you are not taking into consid- eration and that is Multiple use propagation which is one of the best ways to sell large numbers of any product. I this case it serves even better in that X11 by GFXBase allows the Amiga to enter into a market not exactly one of our best. I for one am very glad for the additon of X11 to the list of numerous interfaces now available on the Amiga and think it represents a breakthrough in this arena.