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From: paul@athertn.Atherton.COM (Paul Sander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple
Subject: Re: KERMIT385 Trouble Again!!!!!
Summary: Try setting MSBs
Keywords: KERMIT download
Message-ID: <5264@athertn.Atherton.COM>
Date: 14 Jun 89 02:24:20 GMT
References: <1682@sw1e.UUCP>
Organization: Atherton Technology, Sunnyvale, CA
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In article <1682@sw1e.UUCP>, ucoerp@sw1e.UUCP (1897]) writes:
> >Bob Paster previously wrote:
> >I have a problem I hope someone on the NET can help me with. Last night I 
> >downloaded the 2 files for KERMIT385 from the comp.binaries.apple2 group.
> >The files downloaded fine, using Ascii Express Professional (DOS 3.3
> >version) on an unenhanced Apple IIE.
> >
> >Once I had recieved them, I followed the instructions embedded in the "REMarks"
> >of the first file (app385.1) to "EXEC" the file to get a runnable version
> >of KERMIT385. Although it appeared that everything worked when I ran "EXEC
> >APP385.1,R25" after it completed there was nothing on the disk but the
> >original app385.1, app385.2, and the hello files.

  [stuff omitted]

> Well NETLANDERS, I got several suggestions from Ken and Murph, but am 
> still unable to get KERMIT385 working on my Apple IIE. Some added 
> information may be helpfull.
> 
> First, I'm downloading the file from a UNIX machine. I have tried to 
> download the files after resetting the port, using stty -onlcr. This 
> seems to have had no effect. This was to try and eliminate the potential
> for having lines start with a "space" or "new line".
> 
> Next I edited the app385.1 and app385.2 files on the UNIX machine to
> eliminate the lines that might have only a space and <cr> on them, 
> removing the space only. I then downloaded the files again after 
> resetting the port as described above. Still not successful.
> 
> Next I tried downloading the files using umodem's -st option instead 
> of the -sb option. Again no success.
> 
> In all cases, when I "EXEC app385.1" the computer shows the Applesoft
> prompt (]) on the screen, followed by a "\", and then several "beeps". 
> It does this maybe 50 - 75 times and then gives me the Applesoft prompt
> again. When I "BSAVE KERMIT385,A$1000,L$6E00" the file gets saved to disk
> okay. But when I "BRUN KERMIT385" basically nothing happens. 
> 
> Once when I "BRUNed KERMIT385" I got dumped into the monitor with a 
> message something like "0C05 - A=14 X=98 Y=E1 P=35 8=EA". Most other 
> times, I haven"t gotten anything on the screen, except after the disk
> drive whirrs for several seconds, and the computer appears to be trying
> to do something, I get the Applesoft prompt back, as if KERMIT385 has 
> finished.

I had the EXACT same problem when I downloaded Kermit from a Unix machine.
I was also using AEPro on my ][ Plus.  I also did all of the same things
you did to try to solve the problem, with the same results.  It turns out
that the files I had on my disk were fine files, except that the MSBs of
the characters were not set, and no system utility I could find would set
them.  FID, COPY, and I believe even my text editor couldn't do it.  So I
resorted to writing an Applesoft program that read the characters from the
disk and write them out again to a different file.  It turns out that
Applesoft isn't sensitive to the MSBs, and it always writes text to disk
with the MSBs set.

I documented the whole thing in this newsgroup a couple of months ago,
and included the source code for the BASIC program.

After the mail and follow-ups claiming that "it shouldn't have been that
hard," I'm sort of glad to see that someone else has come across the same
problems I had.

Hope this helps.
-- 
Paul Sander        (408) 734-9822       | If a machine is powerful enough
paul@Atherton.COM                       | to have a DWIM button, why bother
{decwrl,sun,pyramid}!athertn!paul       | with the button?  -- Eric Black