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From: trost@crl.labs.tek.com (Bill Trost)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Toolkits & User Interface Deevolution
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Date: 13 Jun 89 18:29:53 GMT
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In article <2904@portia.Stanford.EDU> in comp.windows.x,
stergios@Jessica.stanford.edu (stergios marinopoulos) writes:

``It is time  to  stop building toolkits interfaces  to X and get to the
real  productivity  problems  encountered  by application programmers.
While toolkits do relieve the burden of having to learn Xlib (which is
all I will use   by the way),  they simply  create a different  set of
implementation challenges for the application programmer.

``We  need an Interface Builder.   One that can   compile user interface
specifications  into various  implementations be   they Xlib, Xt, Xmu,
Xaw, or  Interviews.  Real  productivity is  only achieved  when large
numbers of lines of code are eliminated; not reduced, not replaced.''

So quit your ranting and raving a write one.  X11 is the result of
hundreds of people developing various programs as they feel the need
for them and contributing them to the community.  If you feel there is
something lacking, perhaps you should do something about, not gripe at
everyone how difficult things are.  X is not their responsibility;
it's *our* responsibility.