Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!cbnews!military From: asulaima@udenva.cair.du.edu (SULAIMAN) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Dogfighting Keywords: Missiles Message-ID: <7513@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 16 Jun 89 03:34:08 GMT References: <7446@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Organization: U of Denver Lines: 37 Approved: military@att.att.com From: asulaima@udenva.cair.du.edu (SULAIMAN) In article <7446@cbnews.ATT.COM> bash@ihlpb.ATT.COM (Basham) writes: >>From: "Christopher F. Bryden" > >>While listening to General Yeager speak to an auidence at the Air and Space >>Museum about 8 months ago,I got the feeling that with sealth, radar and missle >>technology the role of the dogfight is becoming less and less important in a >>tactical sense. In fact, General Yeager seemed to be of the opinion that the >>weight and space used for carrying "close in" weapons and ammo is, in fact, >>wasted space. > Another reason for having good dogfight ability in both pilot and aircraft is to AVOID missiles launched on you. Most of the time the 8-9G turns are used are in missile avoidance. The catch in firing without visual confirmation has been always the chance of 'own goals'. The IFF transmitter is a way of avoiding it but even that is a double edged sword. It lets the enemy know for sure u are not friendly. With the new generation stealth planes you may not see the plane until its in visual range. I am assuming of course that the Sovs are also trying to build something like the US staelth planes. I am sure that Gen Yeager knows what he is talking about but I think as USAF and USN found out in Vietnam there is always a chance that u will get into a dogfight and if u do what are you going to do then? Yell don't fire I didn't practice this!! One other point. While the hallowed F-15, F-14 air superiority fighters may never get worried about the dogfights think about the poor A-6 and A-7 and F-16s fully loaded out for a strike mission at low altitude meeting a flight of MIGs. Its situations like that where it is too close for RHM or AHMs that you will have to go into a dogfight and try to win. Ameer Z. Sulaiman.