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From: cameron@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Charles Cameron)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Re: A NASTY attack sub idea
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Date: 17 Jun 89 04:46:01 GMT
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From: cameron@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Charles Cameron)
:From article <7159@cbnews.ATT.COM>, by eos!eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene Miya):
: 
: From: eos!eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene Miya)
: 
: In article <7132@cbnews.ATT.COM> military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker) writes:
:>
:>
:>From: military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)
:>>Sub has to sacrifice its covertness in order to nail the aircraft.
:>
:>As I've mentioned before in other contexts, the peacetime emphasis on
:>stealthiness in submarine training has to go out the window in a real
:>war:  a submarine cannot accomplish much that's useful without revealing
:>itself.  Boldness is required.
:>
: 
: While there is a shadow of truth in what Henry says, ASW helicopters
: are generally expendable compared to subs.  Taking the argument to
: the logical extreme all military aircraft should be armed.
: 
: Nothing better than a near miss on the ASW, even a hit, then the rest of
: the ASW forces could try and pound the hell out of the now exposed sub.
: Care to think how helpless the sub crew would feel?  Better to not
: give one's position away.  It amazes me that number of people who would
: want to get into an engagement.  I would hope most of these types get
: weeded out during the selection process.  But I would also hope that
: small handheld Stringer type be available internally.
: 

In some of the first MK48 Torpedo test shots, the unit came upto 50 feet out
of the water and scored hits or near mises on the helicopters towing the noise
makers.  This made pilots hard to find that would fly these type of flights!!!

Being able to shoot something at planes that are dropping bouys on you would
make the men of the sub feel alot better after many hours of listening to their
pinging.  I say this after 6yrs on 688 class subs.

Also any one who believes that a sub firing anything does not make lots of
noise has no first hand knowledge of weapons leaving the tube.


                                          cameron@sun.soe.clarkson.edu