Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!cbnews!military From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Dogfighting Message-ID: <7671@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 22 Jun 89 11:51:21 GMT References: <7471@cbnews.ATT.COM> <7514@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Lines: 25 Approved: military@att.att.com From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >> ... allow the MIG to get on his tail, pop the flaps, and fire a >> sidewinder as the MIG streaked past... > >I recall that this technique was used with success by British Harrier >pilots against Argentine Mirages during the Falklands/Malvinas >conflict. The Harrier pilot would rotate his exhaust nozzles from >their normal rearward-pointing position... >... The British pilots dubbed the maneuver "vff-ing," though I >forget exactly what the "VF" stood for ... "VIFFing" is Vectoring In Forward Flight. It was invented some years earlier, by the USMC Harrier pilots I believe. And it was not used, ever, in the Falklands -- both official records and the Harrier pilots confirm this. There were only a handful of serious air-to-air combats in the Falklands War, before the Argentine command pulled their air-combat units back to protect their mainland bases, and none of them ended up involving a classical dogfight in which VIFFing would have been useful. Most of the air combat in the Falklands involved Harriers shooting and Argentine aircraft trying to dodge. Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu