Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!cup.portal.com!hkhenson From: hkhenson@cup.portal.COM Newsgroups: sci.nanotech Subject: Re: Megascale engineering, part 3 Message-ID: <8906130723.AA21643@athos.rutgers.edu> Date: 12 Jun 89 02:36:39 GMT Sender: nanotech@aramis.rutgers.edu Lines: 76 Approved: nanotech@aramis.rutgers.edu [The recent posting of Megascale Engineering was enthusiastically received but apparently was truncated. Even my archive copy got truncated. Keith very kindly resent it, and I have carved it into pieces so it will all get through. This is the final segment. --JoSH] The first two of these columns discussed nanotechnology and a few of the consequences, ending with a discussion of a monumental party on the far side of the Galaxy. BEMs One of the discussion about the Far Edge Party came up with the suggestion of a prize for bringing the most interesting alien. Someone else pointed out that with nanotechnology and tens of thousands of years the judges will have a hard time detecting cheating with constructed aliens, or life forms raised to sentient status. More seriously, what will be our effect on aliens? What rules of conduct should we abide by? Perhaps equally to the point, will we find any? Debate rages (that may be too strong a term) between the Saganites and the Tiplerites. Carl Sagan and Co. hold the opinion that technological life is fairly common, with radio capable civilizations every few hundred light years. This school proposes vast listening posts to eavesdrop. Frank Tipler points to the lack of any evidence that our galaxy, or the universe at large, is inhabited by technophiles. I have come to lean very strongly toward Tipler because I think that before very many years go by *our* existence in this particular part of the universe will become very obvious. Laser cannons pushing light sails would be seen as obviously unnatural beacons far across the universe. It may be that life is fairly common, but the time it takes for technology to arise is much longer than the time available on most planets. This may be the real answer to the Fermi question. But I am willing to withhold judgment 'til we sweep out our Galaxy. That should give us a representative sample. How long will it take to cross the Galaxy looking for life and getting a look at everything? Light takes about 100,000 years. At an average of 0.5c, it should take 200,000 years. There are a number of interesting problems which people so inclined might consider. How do we get back together at a place we can't even see from here? If we send out several con committees (so a "run in" with something solid doesn't leave us without a party hotel) how do we get them all together at the same place? How many centuries should we party? How much bean dip will we need? How big could the party get and avoid a Schwartzchild collapse? The dead dog party will no doubt drag on for several millennia. If the party is a success, it will be imitated. Should we give one party per galaxy? Or one on the far side of the Virgo cluster? Back at the Ranch The stay-at-homes, or those who colonize and stay around a single star, won't have as much fun, but they will have plenty of interesting things to do. Conservation for example. Have you ever thought of how much energy the Sun wastes? But I am getting ahead of myself. "a long enough lever... James E. Lovelock is an English chemist and prolific inventor. Along with Lynn Margulas, he developed the biosphere regulation Gaia concept. Some years ago he calculated that the ability of this planet to compensate for the rising output of the sun will fail within the next 50-100 million years. Without intervention, the Earth will become a post-biotic planet, which David Brin speculates may be a common fate. Lovelock proposed planetary sunshades be deployed when they are needed. We could do it with today's technology if we really needed to. However, it is not the most aesthetic approach, cluttering up our neighborhood with sun shades. I was familiar with Eric Drexler's work on solar sails, and proposed hanging a large collection of them ahead of the Ea