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From: williamt@athena1.Sun.COM (William A. Turnbow)
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Subject: Re: Feminism outdated?
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Date: 13 Jun 89 16:12:46 GMT
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In article <17421@paris.ics.uci.edu> WILLIAM_JOHNSON%mts.rpi.edu@ITSGW.rpi.edu writes:
>There is a limited
>capacity for working for change, and for obvious reasons feminists
>want to use the energy they have for their own benefit.
>   
>Will.
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	Will:

	Perhaps they should take a page from the republican party.  The
republican party, realizing they didn't have sufficient political force
to back up the execution of their agenda went off and got groups (not
even related, but at least not opposed) to buy into the group, so that
they would have sufficient political energies to accomplish their goals.

	If women would realize, to use insurance as an example, that if they
only fight for themselves, men are going to perceive this as a theat.  At
one local company, when women complained because of a lack of equality
in certain facilities -- did it help the women?  No, they shut down some
of the men's facilities.  In a similar way there is a problem in the
insurance industry.  If women want rate reductions, the money has to come
from somewhere, and men will perceive it as coming from their own pockets.
Women will therefore encounter resistance to their energies, wasting them.
If instead, they got men to buy in because there is a benefit to men
as well, they get combined energies of the other group (men), and get
alot farther along in their goals of equality.

	One person alone can go a mile.  Two people together can go twice as
far (or farther if synergy is present).  Two people against each other
will go nowhere.




William