Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!agate!bionet!apple!usc!orion.cf.uci.edu!uci-ics!turpin@cs.utexas.EDU From: turpin@cs.utexas.EDU (Russell Turpin) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Job categories and pay scales. Summary: Perhaps because the B's refuse to change light bulbs? Message-ID: <18262@paris.ics.uci.edu> Date: 20 Jun 89 06:06:54 GMT References: <17682@paris.ics.uci.edu> <18184@paris.ics.uci.edu> Sender: news@paris.ics.uci.edu Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas Lines: 52 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu In article <18184@paris.ics.uci.edu>, md1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew William Daly) writes: > A gets hired as a secretary, has a HS diploma and very little relevant > job experience. His starting salary is $4 an hour. > > B gets hired to change light bulbs in traffic signals. He has a HS > diploma and little relevant job experience. His starting salary is > $5.75 an hour. > > I can assure you that it takes no more effort or intelligence to hold > either of these jobs, and yet B gets paid over 40% more! > > The question before us is whether it is reasonable for pay equity to > be introduced -- whether Person A should be paid $5.75 for the work he > does. There is, unfortunately, a large percentage of people who are unwilling to change traffic light bulbs for $5.75/hr, but who are quite willing to type for $4.00/hr. Indeed, this is *why* an employer does not need to pay $5.75/hr to hire sufficient typists, but must pay $5.75/hr to hire sufficient people for traffic equipment maintenance. (For the sake of argument, I am accepting the accuracy of the rates in the example.) To this group of people, the wage differential sends a loud message: "If you want more money, become more flexible in the jobs you are willing to take." The whole reason this becomes a gender issue is because, due to objectionable socialization, this group I have carefully discussed in neutral terms is mostly female. It remains the case that, as you sit in your car and observe people working about you outside getting dirty -- working on the road, painting buildings, changing traffic light bulbs, washing cars, cleaning the street, pruning trees, laying pipe, patching tires, roofing, mowing, et much cetera -- they are almost all men. When the average woman is just as willing to do these jobs as she is to type, given the same pay, then, and only then, will typing have the same pay and status as these other jobs. As long as the average woman prefers typing to such jobs as these requiring similar levels of skill, typists (of both sexes) will pay for this preference in lower wage rates. Russell PS: (Some people will suggest that the situation is more symmetrical than I suggest, since men, after all, are unwilling to so such things as typing. This is untrue. The day that typing pays $1/hr more than manual labor, most of the former manual laborers who know how to type will become typists. The problem is that this flexibility is not now a two-way street. Fortunately, we raise our daughters differently from the way our parents did, so things are changing.)