Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!geneva.rutgers.edu!christian From: jygabler@ucdavis.edu (Jason Gabler) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: inclusive language text Message-ID: Date: 14 Jun 89 03:06:13 GMT Sender: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu Organization: University of California, Davis Lines: 44 Approved: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu In article rgo@logic.nsc.com (Ronald Olshausen) writes: >The Lutheran church which I attend has rather recently adopted >what's referred to as 'inclusive language' text for the >traditional Lutheran service. This entails replacing >many gender-specific references, such as 'Father, Son >and Holy Spirit', with 'Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier'. First, to deal *quickly* with the Bible's (Pauls' ?) so-called mysoginism: I do not believe that men or women are superior to one another. However, as a result of "the Fall", God put the male of the human race in the role as leader and dominant figure. Equal with different roles. HOW ?: This is a possible explanation why God put himself as "He" ..etc.. as opposed to "She...." . If God were going to put the males of this world "in charge", as an example , He would call himself a male. WHY ?: The example of Father,Son and Holy Spirit are excellent 'human language' descriptions of the roles of the 3 persons of God. They give many more implications of the roles that Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier. Where is the love of the word Father (Abba, Daddy) in the word Creator? How does the word Redemmer, also show the relationship between the Father and the Son? How does the word Sanctifier show the ability of a Holy SPIRIT capableof seeing, comforting and guiding all? WHERE ?: (one example) Remember The Father said "This is my Son, with which I am well pleased". Not "..the Redemmer with which I am well pleased". God had a definate set of ideas He wanted to express, as well as fufilling prophecy. Question: In these Lutheran texts, does Jesus call the Father, "My Creator" ? as opposed to "My Father" ? Also, we are the Bride of Chirst. A Daughter or Redemmer has a hard time being a Groom :) . ___ ___ __ ___ )___ __________________________________ ( | '__| (__ / / / / | Matthew 16:25 | \ | (__)\ __) /__/ / / |"For whoever wishes to save his | \_| Internet: jygabler@ucdavis |life shall lose it; but whoever | | BITNET: jygabler@ucdavis |loses his life for My sake shall| | UUCP: ucdavis!jygabler |find it." | ----------------------------------