Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcvax!ukc!strath-cs!glasgow!gilbert From: gilbert@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Gilbert Cockton) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Turing Test and Subject Bias Keywords: Intelligence, Idea, Problem, Thinking Message-ID: <3118@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Date: 19 Jun 89 12:22:10 GMT References: <3039@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> <1174@cbnewsh.ATT.COM> <3075@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> <56041@linus.UUCP> Reply-To: gilbert@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Gilbert Cockton) Organization: Comp Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland Lines: 33 In article <56041@linus.UUCP> bwk@mbunix (Barry Kort) writes: >Perhaps I am a bit perverted, but, when *I* use the word, "intelligence", >I mean "the ability to think and solve problems". Wow, that's tight! What if I can only solve some of your problems? What if I'm brilliant at some, and moderte at others? We can talk of intelligent behaviour (nearly always post-hoc), but never general intelligence - this was backed up by the psychometric work too, although that 'g' factor didn't always factor out. 'g' could be perceptual speed, confidence, insight, what have you, but it in no way guarantees success at an arbitrary problem. I'd love to staff a MacDonald's for a day completely with MENSA types to see how their IQ scores prepared them for all the problems of fast-food service :-) >I define a "problem" as "an undesired state of affairs for which >an appropriate idea has not yet been generated or agreed upon." Subjective, moral? Will AI solve all the world's problems? >I define "idea" as "a possibility for changing the state of affairs." Thus many ideas aren't. >I define "thinking" as "a rational form of information processing >which reduces the entropy or uncertainty of a knowledge base, generates >solutions to outstanding problems, and conceives goal-oriented courses >of action." And thus much brain life isn't thinking. What else do you want to proscribe? -- Gilbert Cockton, Department of Computing Science, The University, Glasgow gilbert@uk.ac.glasgow.cs !ukc!glasgow!gilbert