Xref: utzoo comp.protocols.tcp-ip:7584 comp.dcom.lans:3099 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!husc6!m2c!jjmhome!cpoint!martillo From: martillo@cpoint.UUCP (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.dcom.lans Subject: Re: Token Ring Patent Summary: Ecrasez l'Islam et le patente de Soderblum Message-ID: <2414@cpoint.UUCP> Date: 3 Jul 89 18:30:14 GMT References: <2377@cpoint.UUCP> <2413@cpoint.UUCP> Reply-To: martillo@cpoint.UUCP (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo) Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp., Hopkinton Mass. Lines: 166 In article <2413@cpoint.UUCP> martillo@cpoint.UUCP (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo) writes: >In article <2377@cpoint.UUCP> martillo@cpoint.UUCP (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo) writes: > >I saw the following article a few weeks ago in comp.protocols.tcp-ip. > >> Unfortunately, I know quite a bit about the Soderblom >> patent. It was first issued in the fall of 1981 after much >> consideration at the Patent Office. The senior patent in >> this area is Farmer and Newhall (AT&T). During the '70's, >> there were several interferences between the claims of >> Soderblom and those of Farmer and Newhall. The Farmer and >> Newhall design, patented in 1971, was used by Dave Farber to >> help in the creation of the UC Irvine Ring (If I'm wrong, >> Dave, Please correct me). Then, Jerry Saltzer, Dave Clark, >> Ken Pogren and a bunch of people here at Proteon used the UC >> Irvine Ring to help in the creation of ProNET-10. > >> Proteon never expected patent problems. In fact, in 1982, I >> presented details of our design at IEEE Headquarters in NYC >> to many AT&T employees including Bob Lucky. We joked about >> the fact that I was using BSTJ figures for my presentation, >> thus bringing new meaning to the phrase "not invented here". >> The Soderblom patent applied to systems which consisted of a >> master and a plurality of terminals. Farmer and Newhall was >> the senior patent when it came to closed loop operations. > >> In 1983 or maybe 84, Soderblom presented at IEEE802.5. We >> were well aware of the Soderblom position. IEEE staff were >> also involved. We went ahead on the basis that Soderblom >> would provide licenses in a nondiscriminatory way. We also >> had a good idea of the probable terms for such a license. > >> Since that time, the Patent Office has allowed a reissue of >> the Soderblom patent. The reissue has much more general >> claims. Many organizations filed objections which were >> brushed aside by the patent Office. That's why he has >> general coverage of a 1967 idea until 1998. His patents have >> run out elsewhere in the world. Don't blame Olaf. > >> Many of us object to the whole procedure. That is, Was the >> token ring a new concept or an" old combination" in 1967? >> Many of us object to the details of the legal rangling. >> Nonetheless many of us have signed up simply because the >> patent office has spoken. In all cases, the exact terms of >> the license are covered by a non disclosure clause. > >> It is also clear that some have chosen not to sign a >> license with Soberblom. It is expected that someone will >> take this to court for resolution. Time will tell. > >> Howard Salwen, Chairman-Founder >> Proteon, Inc. >> hs@relay.proteon.com > > >I looked up the patent abstract in the Patent Office Official Gazette >of October 6, 1981. The engineering library at MIT has a >subscription. On page 420 is found patent number 4,293,948, Data >Transmission System, whose abstract follows. > >1. Apparatus for the transmission of data characters in pulse form >from a plurality of terminal units to a master unit comprising in >combination: > > pulse input and pulse output means for each said terminal > unit and for said master unit, > > a single series loop connecting said terminal units in > series along said loop between the pulse output means > and pulse input means of said master unit and over which > pulses originating either with said master unit or any > terminal unit are transmitted always in the same > predetermined direction, > > each said terminal unit including: > > (a) pulse responsive means connected to said pulse input means > for receiving pulses appearing at said pulse input means, > > (b) decoding means distinctively responsive to pulses > received by said pulse responsive means, > > (c) and logic means responsive to said decoding means for > normally interconnecting said pulse input and pulse output > means to thereby complete the loop at said terminal, unit, > > (d) said logic means in response to a distinctive pattern > of said pulses appearing at the associated pulse input > means interrupting the loop between said pulse input and > pulse output means of stored data of arbitrary variable > length as required by said terminal unit for transmission > over the loop to said master unit, > > (e) said logic means being effective upon the opening of > said at the first upstream terminal unit having data to > send for inhibiting the receipt at any downstream terminal > unit of pulses otherwise effective to control said downstream > terminal unit to transmit data. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >As usual, the language is totally obscure, and if the actual patent >is similarly written, I would feel that the patent officer would have >been negligent not to have rejected the application on those grounds >alone. I wrote away for the complete patent (it only costs a $1.50) >but if this abstract contains the key elements of the patent, the >issue of whether the token ring was a new concept or an old >combination in 1967 seems totally irrelevant. > >From the abstract, Soderblum seems to have patented a circuit which >is an intelligent unidirectional digital repeater/transceiver. The >intelligence involves the ability to become a transmitter of queued >data upon reception of signals (a packet) on the receive input. >Clearly, the 802.5 MAU is such an intelligent unidirectional digital >repeater/transceiver. Likewise, the FDDI MAU contains two >intelligent unidirectional digital repeater/transceivers. However, I >doubt either MAU has any circuits borrowed from the Soderblom >circuit. > >Now, I would consider the following scenario analogous to what >Soderblom has achieved at the patent office. > >It is 1890 and I build the first electric stove which I patent. >After I start selling my electric stove, other people begin selling >electric stoves. However, their heating elements, control elements >and insulation are completely different. In fact, other >manufacturers begin manufacturing toasters and perculators and other >devices which cook or prepare food using heat generated by >electricity. > >I then go off and accuse all of these other manufacturers of patent >infringement. I would hope that the court would find my claims >gratuitous except in the case of a stove manufacturer who had copied >my original electric stove down to the nuts and bolts. > >In other words, I would have rights to my own design and that's all. >Purporting to owning the concept of cooking with >electrically-generated heat would seem a bit presumptuous. > >The Soderblum patent is equally presumptuous. Unidirectional digital >repeaters have been around since the 50s. Adding a circuit so that a >digital repeater receiving a signal from the receive input could >become a transmitter is a nice little modification, and it might even >have been slightly difficult using 1967 hardware logic and it may >even be reasonable to give Soderblum a patent for that specific 1967 >circuit which no one in their right mind would ever use today. >However, the trend to make relative dumb repeating, amplifying and >filtering devices ever more intelligent through the addition of >interpretive or program-type logic has existed in electronics since >the first electronics engineers began working at the job and >certainly has increased with the availability of microcontroller >chips, PLAs and PLDs. > >There is no obvious justification in granting patent rights over all >circuits which constitute a class distinguished from a pre-existing >class of circuits simply through minor extensions to enable some >interpretation of incoming data with the result that the behavior of >the circuits might be altered on the basis of interpretation. > >Joachim Martillo > > > > > >