Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!apple!sun-barr!newstop!sun!kilowatt!raz From: raz@kilowatt.uucp (Raz- Berry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Request for testers for Color X11 for Amiga Message-ID: <33864@kilowatt.uucp> Date: 27 Jun 89 16:32:31 GMT References: <788@boing.UUCP> <566@bnr-fos.UUCP> <1148@jimi.cs.unlv.edu> <800@boing.UUCP> <176@gcrc.aecom.YU.EDU> <818@boing.UUCP> Reply-To: raz@sun.UUCP (Steve -Raz- Berry) Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View Lines: 72 In article <818@boing.UUCP> dale@boing.UUCP (Dale Luck) writes: >In article <176@gcrc.aecom.YU.EDU> mark@gcrc.aecom.YU.EDU (mark lyakhovsky) writes: >> >> To all of this i can simply the price of the new Sun 3/80 is list $5400 >> With some major discounts from NSF -(National Science Foundation) =35% >> you can bye a real workstationwith a monochrome monitor with resolution of >> more than 800x800 pluss the cpu which is 68030 with math processer plus >> Ether-Net connecter build in, a real operating system Unix 4.3 pluss >> next release of the Op. Sys will be 4.1 (Open Look) which is X11 While that's nice that you can get those discounts, I doubt that there are very many others that will be able to do the same. >Humm, 4.1? Well you better add another 4m of memory to the 3/80 >But it's only b/w ? The Amiga supports color without any extra hardware. >Can the 3/80 support color, even with an extra board? The 3/50 is out Black and white is standard, color is available. But it is an extra cost option (of course). The monitor resolution I believe is 1150x900. You can of course get a higher resolution color monitor if you so desire and can afford it. >of the question. Now when I get this 3/80 I just have to plug it in >and it comes up? Woops, I need a fileserver some where, or atleast >a 150mbyte scsi disk. Yeah, that's unix for ya. 150 would be bare minimum. I had one for a while but I got so sick of the messages (file system full) that I went and begged for a bigger disk. And your right about the 3/50 being slow. A 3/60 + 8meg ram is minimum equipment for a SunOS 4.x machine. I won't comment further on the fact that a SCSI disk from Sun of >150meg, will set you back more than the cost of an A2000. > Not needed for the Amiga. At most a local 20meg >disk is just fine, but you can run on a single floppy system with a >single boot up floppy containing server and a few X11 files to get going. This is truely amazing. You didn't mention the amount of ram needed to get a workable system going but I'll bet it's only 1meg. This would mean that A500 machines would be perfect as low cost X terminals. This definately gives the Amiga a price edge over the 3/80. At the same time you have to realize that we are not comparing the same kind of fruit here. The 3/80 is a 25mhz 68030 & 68881 powered machine. It is significantly faster that the Amiga in all areas (with the qualification that I haven't seen the way it handles it's color graphics). Personally, I'd love to have one at work. I think that what this all boils down to is a matter of determining what the application is. If you are looking for just a low cost "terminal", and you don't need the raw horsepower of the 3/80, then I think you would be wise to take a look at the X package that Dale is doing. Of course in a perfect world, you could buy both. Sheesh, what am I saying! Let me take that back, Buy the Sun -- it's better... really! >> Mark Lyakhovsky >> System Manager of local network of Sun's >-- >Dale Luck GfxBase/Boing, Inc. >{uunet!cbmvax|pyramid}!amiga!boing!dale The above statements are my own opinion, not those of my employer. I hope that my boss doesn't read this... -- Steve -Raz- Berry Disclaimer: I didn't do nutin! UUCP: sun!kilowatt!raz ARPA: raz%kilowatt.EBay@sun.com KILOWATT: sun!kilowatt!archive-server archive-server%kilowatt.EBay@sun.com