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From: doug@xdos.UUCP (Doug Merritt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.tech
Subject: Re: Request for testers for Color X11 for Amiga
Message-ID: <393@xdos.UUCP>
Date: 28 Jun 89 14:24:10 GMT
References: <19763@cup.portal.com> <164@modcomp.UUCP>
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In <164@modcomp.UUCP> srp@modcomp.UUCP (Steve Pietrowicz) flames Schaem:
>you're going to say things like this, get some facts (LIKE GO AND SEE IT) 
>before you post articles.  (Better yet, don't post at all).

#FLAME ON
You sound like a five year old kid throwing a temper tantrum. The fact
that his articles are hard to read is no reason to tell him that "this
playground ain't big enough for the both of us". If you had any degree
of human feeling you'd talk to him about the problem via email instead
of trying to get rid of him. As for the validity of his opinions, they
were *not* generally anti-Amiga, and in any case no worse than the
usual dreck around here.  (And as I'll point out below, actually right
on target.)

It's big mouthed immature idiots like you that give the rest of us
computer nerds a bad name (as if we needed any help in that department, eh?)
:-)

#FLAME OFF

>in article <19763@cup.portal.com>, stephan@cup.portal.com (Stephen Derek Schaem) says:
>> I didn't say
>> that X souldnt never be seen runing on an AMIGA but that people how want
>> performance in general for a good price with X shouldnt think of the amiga.
                  ^^^^^^^

He's actually right, you know. I just went to the Xhibition (X Windows show),
and Dale Luck's X on the Amiga looks very nice, and for some people will
be just what they need, especially if they really need to minimize net
traffic, or if they can also make use of the Amiga as a very low end workstation
(the latter is unfortunately a very small market).

It's certainly not the cheapest X display, though, and depending on what
people need, not always the best price/performance, either. The dedicated
X Displays like NCR Towerview, NCD, and Visual 640 are far cheaper than
an Amiga plus RAM plus ethernet plus Boing mouse plus X windows, and some
of them (e.g. NCD ) give much better screen resolution on a nice paper
white display with great fonts. The NCD is $2000, FYI, and is not the
cheapest of the bunch (just the best looking IMHO).

And for most people where net traffic isn't as important as price, the Amiga
is simply out of the question.

Now, I love the Amiga, and I'm working hard at find out in which scenarios
I can recommend Amiga plus Dale's X to customers as a solution, and I
think I've found some. That doesn't mean it's the appropriate choice for
everyone. Blindly pushing the Amiga even in situations where it would
disappoint people isn't doing anyone any favors.

>>  Hope that make my thought clear to you:-){

Sounds pretty polite to me, seems like we could take pointers from Schaem
on the *tone* of postings.

>It's always fun to see things like the above when people don't know what
>the hell they're talking about.   1/2 :-)
>
>From what you've been saying here in all your postings, it's obvious that
>you've never seen X running on an Amiga, and it's even doubtful that you've
>even used an Amiga for a significant amount of time.

This Pietrowicz fellow, though, seems like *he* needs to do more homework,
both on X, market economics, and hopefully on etiquette. I have this
book for teaching social graces to kids called "Stand Up, Shake Hands, Say
How Do You Do" I could loan you...
	Doug
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