Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!microsoft!brianw From: brianw@microsoft.UUCP (Brian Willoughby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Re: Manuals, Mice, and the PC Transporter Summary: What Pirating? Keywords: roms pirating mouse Message-ID: <6125@microsoft.UUCP> Date: 21 Jun 89 21:42:47 GMT References: <2328@uwovax.uwo.ca> <184@ualtamts.BITNET> Reply-To: brianw@microsoft.UUCP (Brian Willoughby) Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA Lines: 65 In article <184@ualtamts.BITNET> userDBUG@ualtamts.BITNET (Dan Berry) writes: >In article <2328@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 2014_5001@uwovax.uwo.ca writes: >>I saw an earlier posting re: manuals and had some questions >>of my own. I have the 65c02 upgrade and char. generating >>rom (half of the Apple //e -> //ee upgrade). I will be >>getting the CD-EF roms also, but would like some documentation >> >>Thanks, P.Surry@uwovax.bitnet (or mayhem@uwovax.bitnet). > >Well I don't normally flame people, but just what sort of help >do you expect when you have pirated ROMs? And likely a pirated >copy of PublishIt! to boot? Nonetheless, the problem is in your >lack of ROMs, since PI! needs an enhanced //e to work right. I >would highly doubt that it would be worth your effort to write a >patch since it's easier to stoop to copying the ROMs. > >No one can say that pirating isn't alive and well among the >Apple 8/16-bit enthusiasts... > >+-----------------------------------+ DAN BERRY Wait a microsecond, Dan.... how can you feel justified in flaming this guy? His problem is that he does NOT have the ROMs, so how can they be pirated? Perhaps you don't understand the 65c02. It's available from Rockwell and NCR, and will work in any Apple - even without changing the ROMs, that's called 6502 emulation. I have a II+, and nothing stopped me from upgrading to a 65c02 and later to a 65c802. As I see it, M. Surry is justified in wanting to find documentation for the enhanced //e ROMs before purchasing them. I think that Apple should support the enhanced ROMs as much as the Firmware from previous II's, and if they don't, that would certainly be a factor in my decision for purchasing any Firmware Upgrade. As a II+ owner, I would have to hack my own enhancements, only //e owners can use the CD-EF ROM upgrade. Since it appears that Apple is not interested in offering a II+ 65c02 upgrade, much less a 65c802 upgrade for any II, I would think that publishing documentation on the //e enhanced ROMs would make a good starting point for anyone supporting their own Apple. Apple would still get thier money from sales of the listings. BTW, if you try to say that M. Surry's character generator ROMs are pirated, then I would also disagree. A program running on any II has no way of knowing what images are displayed by the character generator, and therefore the program can't be broken by running with non-standard ROMs (unless you find Russian characters harder to read than Roman ). I have developed several character sets for the ROM in my II+, does Apple have the bit images of their character set copyrighted?. The II+ ROMs are in a different format so I couldn't have 'pirated' them, I had to write an editor an create them myself. When you purchase an Apple II, you have the right as the owner to make any enhancements you see fit. In the future... Please don't assume that anyone who has non-standard enhancements to their Apple is trying to pirate the few enhancements that Apple offers. P.S. I had much rather pay $15.95 to JameCo for a 65c802 and hack my own ROM changes (if any), than pay $80 for a //e Upgrade so that my local dealer can keep $40 to pay the idiots they hire in sales who can't even answer my simple questions about the various 3.5" drives available for the Apple II Plus! Brian Willoughby ...!uw-beaver!microsoft!brianw or microsoft!brianw@uunet.UU.NET or just brianw@microsoft.UUCP #include // these are my own preachings