Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ncar!asuvax!ellymae!waycott From: waycott@ellymae.phx.mcd.mot.com (John Waycott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Software Piracy through Mail Order Message-ID: <11201@ellymae.phx.mcd.mot.com> Date: 6 Jul 89 01:04:17 GMT Reply-To: waycott@ellymae.phx.mcd.mot.com (John Waycott) Distribution: na Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Division, Tempe, Az. Lines: 41 I recently purchased a few programs from Software Discounter's of America through the GEnie timesharing system. A very interesting problem occurred. I bought copies of Fleet Street Publisher 2.0 and Degas Elite. Well, I received them a few weeks later and to my surprise I got a copy of FSP 1.0 in a box which was clearly labeled 2.0. What makes this interesting is that Michtron, the distributor of FSP, NEVER SOLD version 1.0! The box and manual were shrink-wrapped, and no warranty card was in the box. I called Michtron and they told me to send it all back to them directly and they would send me a proper version. They thought I was being ripped off. I can think of two situations that might have caused this: 1. SDA had a bunch of FSP 1.0 versions left over and repackaged things to get rid of their old copies. This seems unlikely since SDA would be deliberately engaging in fraud. 2. Someone who had FSP 1.0 bought 2.0 from SDA and returned the 1.0 version to get their money back, keeping the new version. SDA then shrink-wrapped everything and put it back in inventory. When I opened the Degas Elite package (also shrink-wrapped) the envelope which contained the diskette had been deliberately cut open. My guess is that someone bought the program, made a copy of the disk and returned the package to get their money back. Has anyone had any similar experiences with SDA or other mail order houses? Although I was able to resolve the problem, I find it disturbing that SDA apparently does not check their returned items for completeness and that they sell "used" software as if it were new. The real problem, however, appears to be blatant piracy. The recent talk about piracy in this newsgroup has not really touched upon how piracy can hurt those who buy the pirated products as well as those who sell them. It is obvious to me now why many software vendors refuse to give refunds and only exchange defective diskettes with the same program. -- John Waycott ..mcdphx!ellymae!waycott