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From: philip@axis.fr (Philip Peake)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: makin' profit at unido (Was : Re: An apology...)
Summary: wrong ...
Message-ID: <576@axis.fr>
Date: 30 Jun 89 09:15:33 GMT
References: <786@redsox.bsw.com> <263@icdi10.UUCP> <1444@laura.UUCP> <3650@ddsw1.MCS.COM>
Organization: Axis International, Paris
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In article <3650@ddsw1.MCS.COM>, karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) writes:
> In article <1444@laura.UUCP> jf@laura.UUCP (Jan-Hinrich Fessel) writes:
> >In article <263@icdi10.UUCP> fr@icdi10.UUCP (Fred Rump from home) writes:
> >>Also unido controls things tightly to feed anyone over there at a profit.
> >
> >Wrong. We don't make profit. In fact, our laws in gemany do not allow
> >universities to make profit. The money we raise is used for maintenance
> >of our equipment and for paying (small) wages to the students running the
> >backbone, and last not least for paying our share of transmission-costs
> >to the european backbone mcvax. 
> 
> Up to this point everything is fine.... but that doesn't cover $47,000+ a year!

Please go back and read all the articles posted on this subject.
Particularly those coming from UNIDO and from Danniel Karrenburg (cwi).

You will see that the clain of $47,000 was based upon all 300+ sites in the
German map receiving news, and paying more than is actually charged by UNIDO.

In fact, there are only ~30 news sites, and they don't pay the exagerated
fees claimed when the $47,000 was 'calculated'.

If you want access to the real accounts, join the EUUG and ask for them,
they can be made available - the figures are regularly distributed to
any member who wants them.

Remember, the EUUG is composed of 3500+ members, organised into national
groups - the structure is completely democratic.

If you think that there is any fraud or malpractice taking place, then
you are insulting the inteligence of these people - note also that
the Governing Board of the EUUG also accepts USENIX observers being present.

NOTHING is, or can be hidden - EUnet is supposed to be 'self financing',
in fact it still receives some aid from EUUG finances.

The only real thing that you must try to understand is that we are slowly
moving to the position of being completely self financing - this means
no using other peoples machines, disk space, telephone lines, X25 lines etc
we PAY for everything - anyone wanting to join in just has to pay their fair
share - if they don't want to join in - ok, go do it yourself, BUT we will
not, and cannot, give free services to anyone.

Philip