Xref: utzoo bionet.general:440 bionet.molbio.bio-matrix:103 Newsgroups: bionet.general,bionet.molbio.bio-matrix Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!ephemeral.ai.toronto.edu!steeg From: steeg@ai.toronto.edu ("Evan W. Steeg") Subject: Re: BioNet shutdown Message-ID: <89Jul11.151538edt.10783@ephemeral.ai.toronto.edu> Summary: Services can be replaced. Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto References: <23066@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> <89Jul8.125846edt.10744@ephemeral.ai.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 89 15:15:35 EDT A few days ago I posted a note in which I criticized and lamented the possible loss of the BioNet facilities. In particular, I discussed the importance of the communications resources currently made available by the Bionet, and how unfortunate it would be -- for individual scientists and for the state of biological research -- if this conduit for international and interdisciplinary communication were to vanish. I hope I did not convey the impression that the communications activities on Bionet -- the e-mail and the newsgroups -- could not or would not be replaced. In theory, nobody should lose any communications functions permanently, though, in practice, there could be severe disruptions, and it was this unnecessary disruption that concerned me. In particular, the Bionet users should be aware that**: 1) Usenet is a self-supporting communications net. 2) The European and Australian bboard systems that receive Bionet messages pay for their own access. 3) Several of the biological science journals post their tables of contents to Bionet free of charge. Therefore, several key communications links and functions are paid for by parties other than Bionet. Moreover, there is no *technical* reason why these functions couldn't be handled by the Usenet and bboards directly. My point in my previous letter was simply that technical feasibility does not always imply simple, efficient, and timely implementation. With such a large distributed network, serving many people (of varying computer proficiency) with many functions, there are likely to be delays and glitches. My gut feeling on this was: If it ain't broke don't fix it. The "activation energy" needed to carry the transition through is likely to be very high. Who needs it?! But, if this transition must happen, let's make it as smooth as possible. Perhaps administrators of the various subnets and bulletin boards will post some hints/instructions. As for the software resources of Bionet, perhaps the managers can arrange for some space on the Stanford Sumex machine (Stanford U. is geographically close to Bionet's home), so that users can have ftp access to contributed software. This would ease the transition. Thanks for your attention (sorry for posting such long notes!). -- Evan **I am fairly confident, though not 100% certain, of these claims about the networks. My understanding of the workings was corroborated by several people well-versed in computer bboards and networks. I do not work for Bionet, the company that manages it, nor any competitors. And, of course, I do not speak for the University of Toronto. -- Evan W. Steeg (416) 978-7321 steeg@ai.toronto.edu (CSnet,UUCP,Bitnet) Dept of Computer Science steeg@ai.utoronto (other Bitnet) University of Toronto, steeg@ai.toronto.cdn (EAN X.400) Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 {seismo,watmath}!ai.toronto.edu!steeg -- Evan W. Steeg (416) 978-7321 steeg@ai.toronto.edu (CSnet,UUCP,Bitnet) Dept of Computer Science steeg@ai.utoronto (other Bitnet) University of Toronto, steeg@ai.toronto.cdn (EAN X.400) Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 {seismo,watmath}!ai.toronto.edu!steeg