Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!apple!bionet!ames!lll-winken!uunet!odi!cass!benson From: benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies) Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: service for gnu software (was: Re: C++ 2.0 pricing and licensing policy) Message-ID: <393@odi.ODI.COM> Date: 14 Jul 89 16:52:09 GMT References: <1481@ns.network.com> <8723@thorin.cs.unc.edu> <6590188@hplsla.HP.COM> <4294@tekcrl.LABS.TEK.COM> Sender: news@odi.com Reply-To: benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies) Organization: Object Design Inc., Burlington, MA Lines: 39 This message is part if a chain departing rapidly from the charter of this newsgroup. I can't claim the right to the last word, but I can warn people uninterested in FSF politics to type "n" before reading further. This idea about consultants has been part of the FSF manifesto from day one. Selling a program is evil. Charging an arbitrary cost to make a program work (at all or in a particular environment) is fine. Just like blackmail: you pay again and again, but you never get the real negatives. If an FSF product was ever complete and relatively bug-free, the consultants would see their income drop considerably. This produces some curious incentives. For people who aren't building products atop FSF code, it makes the FSF indistinguishable from any other vendor. "Oh, you want a G++ that WORKS? Just sign a blank check for one of our approved consultants, and we'll fix it up in a jiffy." There is no guarantee that these fixes will ever be seen by the rest of the users of the particular item. It the employer of the consultant dosen't distribute their fixed-up copy of the FSF product, they have no obligation to make the fixes available. Consultants have an economic disincentive to see the fixes distributed. The less they spread around, the more times they can sell the same work. So the end user spends the money one way or the other. The notion that only some small subset of the industry "need their hands held" is laughable in general and insulting to many. I imagine that most c++ customers (if not most readers of this list) would be delighted to be able to buy a stable, bug-free binary, so they could get on with their real work. One of the useful (IMO) contributions of Marxist thinkers to the world is to analyze any supposedly policical situation in terms of economics. Who Benefits? In the situation at hand, consultants can make money but others can't. And, of course, FSF approved consultants have an edge over everyone else. Perhaps the first "r" should be removed from the name of the FSF. Benson I. Margulies