Xref: utzoo comp.std.misc:148 comp.realtime:125 comp.arch:10583 comp.os.misc:982 comp.misc:6530 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!bywater!arnor!uri From: uri@arnor.UUCP (Uri Blumenthal) Newsgroups: comp.std.misc,comp.realtime,comp.arch,comp.os.misc,comp.misc Subject: Re: TRON (a little long) Message-ID: <265@arnor.UUCP> Date: 10 Jul 89 16:25:18 GMT References: Organization: IBM Corp., Yorktown NY Lines: 45 From article , by limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli): > > "Are you just a automaton or what?" is a question I ask many > programmers. If you don't plan a good, sound, (may I use the word > 'elegant'?) design from the start (in other words, if you don't THINK) > it will catch up with you later. > Well, since I'm not going to quarrel, I'll leave this alone. > Now, you may disagree with those design philosophies or agree; there > are reasons for and against doing things that way; but it's a design > philosophy that we keep, and we all rely on them. I would NEVER > blindly require those kind of conditions at the next site I work; but > they work well here. > > Why don't *you* become more professional, Sir. It only hurts the > industry when a programmer can't think for him/her self. I have seen > too many people angry at the entire industry because one consultant > provided a solution that was one kludge on top of another; all held > together by spit and glue. ...and it fell apart at the wrong moment. > I ask you, is that design philosophy or is that ethics? > > Maybe what CS majors need is a little more philosophy. > I've already answered such an "attack", though that one was a lot kinder, more "professional", I'd say. I'm repeating: actually there's nothing wrong when somebody uses such terms SOMETIMES. Well, everybody probably has met nice programs, and even more - ugly ones. But listen, to start discussion about new, unfamiliar to most of us (I daresay) product with a sentence "it's ugly" - it doesn't sound too reasonable for me. Again: DESCRIBE it at first, and we'll see then what it is - ugly or not. What did you mean by "can't think for him/her self" please? If you're trying to start flaming - it's not the best place, neither it's decent (or at least polite) way to do it. Such ill-mannered (sorry, can't stop myself) offenses aren't nice at all. Since you haven't seen my programs, you'd better wait with judging them, OK? I'm not discussing yours... Design philosophy or ethics? Both (but of course). More philosophy for CS? Well, in my University we had plenty (no less than your "liberal", I'd say). Regards, Uri.