Xref: utzoo comp.realtime:114 comp.os.misc:963 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcvax!unido!iraun1!Katmandu!grunwald From: grunwald@Katmandu.ira.uka.de (Grunwald Betr. Tichy) Newsgroups: comp.realtime,comp.os.misc Subject: Re: TRON (a little long) Summary: Maybe TRON is system for production plants Keywords: Japan, TRON, standards, networks, operating systems Message-ID: <926@iraun1.ira.uka.de> Date: 6 Jul 89 12:51:02 GMT References: <382@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> <4628@ficc.uu.net> Sender: news@iraun1.ira.uka.de Reply-To: grunwald@Katmandu.UUCP (Grunwald Betr. Tichy) Organization: University of Karlsruhe, West-Germany Lines: 27 I think the Japanese have seen that the Automatation of the Production is one major goal in the near future. There is a big need for realtime systems, which can stand the conditions at production places. But there is also need for a good program development platform. Unix can only serve the second goal, because it is to big to build costcompetitive systems with it. On the other hand there are very few real- time systems with a good programming environment (the only exception I know is OS9/680x0). Normally you develop under Unix and download the program, but this process is errorprone and tedious, and you need an extra development system. The next point is, that you have a hierarchy of computers in production plants, from the machine motor control, up to the plant control system. If TRON could cover all of it, it would be the system of choice, because you have only one system, which simplifies maintenance very much. If you think of machine motor control, the system should be realtime and rombased, which seems impossible for UNIX. You could use embedded systems for motor control, but at one point in the hierarchy the software cost will raise to much and UNIX will demand a very exepensive hardware even at that point. To my opinion, you should forget about realtime UNIX, because UNIX can not cover the whole terrain of Automation computing at a reasonable price. (Using diskbased 68030 systems for the control of a single NC-Axis is not reasonable) The opinions expressed here in are totally mine. If I miss at some points please correct me, but don't come with the hardware costs will diminish sometime argument only.