Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!thad From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Seagate \ Message-ID: <20538@cup.portal.com> Date: 17 Jul 89 11:35:53 GMT References: <4638@crash.cts.com> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 82 More from our "anonymous" poster forwarding other people's responses (indented): Let me jump in here: I worked at a plant where we plated magnetic coatings onto platters and drums for computer drives. The company I worked for also built the heads that were used. I cannot believe Seagate would have people manually applying a "lubricant" onto the disks with "rags". ^^^^ How about "linen cloth"? THAT's what they use; my term "rags" was not meant to conjure up visions of a back room full of grease-monkeys in dirty overalls! :-) We used to plated coatings as thin as .000005" (that's 5 millionths of an inch!), this was less than the surface finish RMS (roughness measurements) and ANY other substance visable on the surface was grounds for rejection (the disk). Most of the plated media didn't require "lubrication" (one exception was the drums used in the Minuteman Missle system....it had a Rhodium top plate) but when they do it's generally hard Chrome plated about 25 microinches...anyways, what I have to say is just a tiny bit of dust in ANY type of wiping material will scratch a platter something fierce...I know, I've scraped a few in my time..... I doubt the "plated media" in MODERN drives possessing Whitney-arm, thin-film heads is Chrome; the magnetic properties are inadequate. "CrO2" media on audio tapes is not "Chrome", it's chromium dioxide and colored black; "normal" audio media is ferric oxide and "rust-colored"; the Seagate drive I opened (see below) has a bronze-colored media with a chemical coating (lubrication). Whatever the disk drive "plated media" material IS, it's unbelievably hard. I opened one of my defective ("stiction") Seagate ST251 drives and performed some experiments on it: 1) lightly touching the platter surface with a screwdriver blade while the disk was spinning left NO evidence of the contact. 2) blowing cigarette smoke onto the platters while running DiskPerf caused no noticeable effect. 3) spitting onto the rotating platter during DiskPerf (yeah, I'm really getting mean here! :-) brought up a R/W error requestor; manually spinning the shaft and moving the head assembly while wiping the platter with a Kleenex (tm) soaked with Ronsonol (tm) lighter fuel cleared up the R/W error as verified by another DiskPerf run. 4) depositing a fingerprint on the platter, manually spinning the main spindle shaft, and positioning the heads so they'd ride over the fingerprint, a VERY noticeable drag was encountered at the point of contact with the fingerprint. Continuing to spin the main shaft, the heads eventually erased all evidence of the fingerprint; the drive didn't pass a DiskPerf until I again cleaned the platter (and, by implication, the head) with Ronsonol. 5) my home microscope only goes to 100x, so I couldn't see the "white worms" as I did at the HD repair place. But careful examination of the drive clearly shows the "heads" ARE in contact (buffered by the lubrication) with the platter surface during normal operation (determined by sighting across the disk surface looking into a high-intensity lamp). The head sled is a rectangular block about 1/8"x1/4" and about .050" thick, whose R/W surface is as super-polished as the surface of the platters. 6) Final experiment: moved the heads to PARK position and waited awhile; there was VERY DEFINITE RESISTANCE ("stiction") when attempting to move them later. Moved the heads to the middle of the platter and waited awhile; there was NO noticeable resistance when attempting to move them later. The anecdotes posted by our "anonymous" poster tend to suggest "old" disk technology, pre-Whitney and possibly pre-Winchester; not relevant TODAY. The "stiction" problem with the drives is one characterized by physics and NOT by chemistry; more specifically: fluidics. If you haven't done so already, do the simple experiment I described in the previous posting on this subject (with the two glass plates (or microscope specimen slides) and a drop of water). And, for everyone's entertainment, amusement and enjoyment, I'll bring the drive to this week's BADGE meeting where we'll attempt to induce a head crash after everyone's had a chance to SEE the insides of the drive for themselves. Try to dream of a way to make it fail; I've already dropped it and wacked it on the side with a wooden mallet while it was operating ... it continues to function after clearing the momentary R/W error. As I've said before, the basic design of the drive IS good, it's only the manufacturing flaw regarding lubrication that is causing all the problems. Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ]