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From: ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Red Ryder 11.0
Message-ID: <784@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM>
Date: 7 Jul 89 18:52:06 GMT
References: <780@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> <6237@microsoft.UUCP>
Reply-To: ngg@bridge2.3Com.com (Norman Goodger)
Organization: 3Com Corp., Mt. View, CA
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In article <6237@microsoft.UUCP> stuartb@microsoft.UUCP (Stuart Burden) writes:

>Sorry Norm, but I must disagree with you.  I don't swallow the story
>of INIT's having such a devistating effect on transfer rates.. I tried
>using 10.3 with no init's and with all my INIT's and noticed no difference!
>I think one point with Red that is being over looked here, are the people,
>like myself that upgraded to 10.3 with the promise of a fully intergrated
>Mac interface, I believe the quote went something like "Icons, dialogs...
>the whole ball of Mac wax"!.. well frankly Scott Watson did not deliver,
>and well over a year later he has still failed to deliver!  Appart from the
>restructuring of a few menu items, the upgrade from 9.x to 10.3 was trivial!
>I think that this is discraceful conduct for a "commercial" product, and my
>feeling on the matter is that if version 11 is what Scott promised for
>version 10, then there are a lot of users like myself that should be given
>free updates.
>It really is a situation of "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame
>on me".. I'm not going to bite twice, thanks!
>Stu.
>

Your problem Stu is that you are confusing what Scott planned to do 
with Red Ryder Host. The idea of Icons and dialogs was something he
planned to planned to integrate in Host, however I suspect like
many grand plans reality sets in and one discovers that the problems
that one encounters and the speed problems that would arise from
a graphics interface as originally planned made for it not happening.
However with the Shell Compiler you can create a Custom Interface for
Procedure files. Using Dialogs etc, so part of the interface is there,
and there are procedures that make use of the Shell Compiler on Genie.

Speaking of disgraceful product releases, should one be reminded of
Word 3.00...Word 4.0 was not free either, so make sure your own closet
is clean before you a start accusing other software companies for failing
to deliver Stu...as far as not upgrading and thinking that your being
fooled, its your loss. Your problems lie in the your expectations it 
appears. Not quite sure what to tell you there....

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Norm Goodger				SysOp - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862
3Com Corp.				Co-SysOp FreeSoft RT - GEnie.
Enterprise Systems Division             (I disclaim anything and everything)
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