Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!leah!rpi!batcomputer!mha From: mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Re^2: Red Ryder 11.0 Message-ID: <8354@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> Date: 8 Jul 89 18:29:20 GMT References: <780@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> <6237@microsoft.UUCP> <784@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> <32956@apple.Apple.COM> <788@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> Reply-To: mha@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) Organization: Baka Industries, Ithaca, New York Lines: 45 In article <788@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> ngg@bridge2.3Com.com (Norman Goodger) writes: >In article <32956@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes: >>... >>I was willing to tolerate RR when it was shareware and had lots of rough >>edges. Now that it's commercial, however, it creates a higher level of >>expectation -- which it doesn't come close to meeting. ... > >Well Chuq, what can I say, not sure what hype you received, and not sure >what expectations you expected it to live up to. >... >Oh well, what can I say, the bottom line is always up to you. While I >can concur that some of the problems in RR10 should have been fixed >earlier, they were not. RR11 solves all those problems and adds much >more than before. I think we're going to have to wait and each evaluate Red Ryder 11.0 for ourselves. Norm obviously can't tell us much about what has and hasn't been fixed in 11.0, or what has and hasn't been added. I'd love to see a feature list describing what problems have been solved and what new and useful bits have been put in, but if we're not going to get one, I'm willing to wait. Norm's right, that the bottom line is up to the individual user. Chuq and I have different impressions of what's wrong and right with RR 10.3; I'm sure there are thousands of other equally valid impressions. When we get the software in front of us to discuss it, I'm sure we'll all have a very good idea of what changes have been made. If the rough edges have been smoothed to the point where it LOOKS and ACTS like an $80 commercial program, I'm sure Chuq will give 11.0 a chance. If not... even I, the eternal optimist, will probably give up. :-) We can just hope that Norm has been sending Scott a steady stream of summaries of the problems with RR 10.3 that have been discussed on the net in the last year and a half. If he has, and if Scott's been listening, then we'll probably find an excellent package that meets many of our unfilled needs in 11.0. A lot of if's? Maybe. But let's wait and see. -- Mark H. Anbinder ************************** mha@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu Baka Industries ** (biar!)memory!mha.uucp 200 Pleasant Grove Rd. H: (607) 257-7587 ******** Ithaca, NY 14850 W: (607) 257-2070 ******* "It's not safe out here." Q