Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!jarthur!dave From: dave@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Dave Stuit) Newsgroups: comp.text Subject: Re: em-dashes Message-ID: <1640@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> Date: 15 Jul 89 21:13:01 GMT References: <65741@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> Reply-To: dave@jarthur.UUCP (Dave Stuit) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA Lines: 50 In article <65741@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> leichter@CS.YALE.EDU (Jerry Leichter) writes: >In any case, I mentioned in my posting that I had seen examples of typography >with spaces around em-dashes, but that I couldn't name any off-hand. Well, it >turns out that I had an example sitting right beside me - but I didn't notice >it until today. Take a look at the New York Times. It uses a significant >amount of space around em-dashes. It's difficult to tell exactly how much, >but it looks very much like an inter-word space to me. This illustrates a point someone brought up earlier -- that conventional rules frequently are broken when there's a "good reason." Newspaper typography is one area in which this is the case. The narrow columns used in newspapers make it difficult to enforce rigid typesetting conventions without producing some really ugly-looking copy. The problem, in many cases, is compounded by equipment that fails to do all of the fine-tuning that a system such as TeX does. (As a side note, I'll mention that TeX sucks at justifying text in narrow columns. Its unwillingness to allow minor imperfections in a paragraph occasionally lead it to give up completely, producing absurd results. I know little about TeX, but several people who knew much more were unable to fix this by monkeying with tolerances and such. TeX may do a nice job on full-width reports, but on narrow columns, it can't compare to a simple line-by-line justifier (like troff). Then again, maybe it just takes someone with a Ph.D. in TeXography to get it to work right....) Leaving spaces around an em-dash allows line breaks to be performed on either side of the dash. Also, when a line is stretched to perform full justification, the spaces around the dash provide more places over which the padding can be distributed. This flexibility is necessitated by the narrow-column format. The Associated Press Stylebook says, "Put a space on both sides of a dash in all uses except the start of a paragraph and sports agate summaries." I've always thought that the spaces made sense, because the dash is supposed to break parts of a sentence, not tie together two adjacent words (like, for example, a hyphen in a compound modifier). On the matter of ellipses: The Associated Press' convention is to treat an ellipsis as a three-letter word. However, an ellipsis may be preceded by a period: "If the words that precede an ellipsis constitute a gramatically complete sentence, either in the original or in the condensation, place a period at the end of the last word before the ellipsis. Follow it with a regular space and an ellipsis." The newspapers do what works for them, and I'd advise you, the net.reader, to do whatever works for you. Just be consistent about it. (Sorry for taking so long to get to the point.) --dave dave@jarthur.claremont.edu uunet!jarthur!dave