Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!ucsd!ucbvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!att!cbnews!military From: allen%codon1.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Edward Allen;345 Mulford;x2-9025) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Mortars & Tanks (and tracers) Message-ID: <8129@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 11 Jul 89 01:28:09 GMT References: <8033@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 29 Approved: military@att.att.com From: allen%codon1.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Edward Allen;345 Mulford;x2-9025) I think mortars are probably more effective vs armor than the posting by Dave Pierson about armor penetrating ability would suggest. He concentrates on what happens to a tank if a mortar round lands diectly on the top armor. Whether or not this will penetrate, having it explode against the outside of the relatively thin top armor may do damage on the inside by spalling and concussion, particularly in the case of the larger mortars, 120mm +. You'll get the kind of effect that HESH shells are optimized for, although to a lesser degree. But that is probably not the primary damage that mortar shelling is likely to do to tanks. You're going to see some tracks knocked off, and casualties to exposed crews. I remember reading that most casualties to tankers in WWII occured when they weren't protected by armor, with crewmembers caught by shelling in the majority of the time when they are eating, sleeping, doing maintainance, just waiting around, etc. Then there are hits on the gratings over the engine compartment with the possibility of an engine kill, and on vision blocks and periscopes, antennas, external MGs, and things like that which will cause the tank problems without knocking it out. There's good reason to target mortars at tanks if you don't have more vulnerable targets to hit or if the mortars are the heaviest thing available. It will at least keep the tankers uncomfortable. Ed Allen (allen@enzyme.berkeley.edu)