Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!ucsfcgl!cca.ucsf.edu!daedalus!brianc From: brianc@daedalus (Brian Colfer) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: [David E Demers: Re: free will] Message-ID: <2236@ucsfcca.ucsf.edu> Date: 24 Jul 89 16:48:09 GMT References: <334@ucl-cs.UUCP> <425@berlioz.nsc.com> <1842@harrier.ukc.ac.uk> <2230@ucsfcca.ucsf.edu> <438@calmasd.Prime.COM> Sender: news@cca.ucsf.edu Reply-To: brianc@daedalus.ucsf.edu (Brian Colfer) Organization: UCSF Dept. of Lab Med Lines: 30 In article <438@calmasd.Prime.COM> wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walter Peterson) writes: >> Brian Colfer >>> Robin Faichney > >[... various parts of the discussion deleted...] >>>Just because something cannot be proven, is no reason not to believe in it. >> Why believe something if you cannot prove it? >Sometime there is no choice in the matter. I will grant that proof is >a very desirable thing to have, but as Godel's Incompletness Theorem >shows, in any system that is complete there will be unprovable true >statements. Axioms are also accepted without proof. I always thought that Godel proved that there will always be incompleteness in deductive systems. Also, I was suggesting inductive rather than deductive proof. I probably should have said, "Why believe in something if there is no publicly validated evidence for it?" Are there inductive axioms? ============================================================================= Brian | UC San Francisco | E-mail: USENET, Internet, BITNET Colfer | Dept. of Lab. Medicine |...!{ucbvax,uunet}!daedalus.ucsf.edu!brianc | S.F. CA, 94143-0134 USA | brianc@daedalus.ucsf.edu | PH. (415) 476-2325 | BRIANC@UCSFCCA.BITNET ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Leave your body and soul at the door ..." -- Oingo Boingo =============================================================================