Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!apple!sun-barr!texsun!texbell!vector!telecom-gateway From: stanwyc@mtfmi.att.com (D. Stanwyck) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Understanding ISDN: More Seminars Planned Message-ID: Date: 25 Jul 89 12:24:27 GMT Sender: news@vector.Dallas.TX.US Organization: AT&T, Middletown NJ Lines: 58 Approved: telecom-request@vector.dallas.tx.us X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@vector.dallas.tx.us X-TELECOM-Digest: volume 9, issue 256, message 4 of 5 In article , telecom@eecs.nwu.edu (TELECOM Moderator) says: > A while back in the Digest, I printed a schedule of seminars on the subject > of 'Understanding ISDN' (Integrated Services Digital Network). These > seminars are sponsored by Telecommunications Research Associates of > St. Marys, Kansas. > > I have recently been notified that some additional seminars have been > planned. <> I, for one, strongly object to this forum, especially as a moderated forum, becoming a place for commercial announcements. Hardly a day goes by that I don't receive yet another advertisement for an ISDN seminar someplace. Many of these seminars are given by people who have no real knowledge of ISDN or the philosophies of ISDN. I therefore beseech thee, sir moderator, to immediately and henceforth remove all commercial messages from your postings. It is a serious disservice to the Usenet community, which has in every group tried to keep the net commerical free, for you to decide to start posting commercials. Thank you. -- Don Stanwyck o o 201-957-6693 AT&T-Bell Labs || mtfmi!stanwyc Middletown, NJ USA \__/ Education Center [Sir Moderator's Note: You raise a good point regards commercialization of news groups. I began posting announcements of seminars, conferences and exhibitions related to telecommunications after a couple of notes appeared in the Digest specifically asking for information on educational programs in telecom. One criteria I use for the postings is whether or not some actual educational achievement will result, for example, by the issuance of CEU's. I recently received some interesting and worthwhile material from George Washington University regarding a series of seminars being offered this fall in telecom-related stuff, only a portion of which is ISDN. I don't think the fact that you have to pay money is relevant. I also review the background of the persons involved in the instruction being offered. It amused me to read your comment that 'many of these seminars are given by people with no real knowledge of the subject...', since the seminars about which you voiced your complaint are all being conducted by persons who are presently or previously employed by Bell Labs! I'll grant you there are bogus 'seminars', and there is commercialization of the networks which carry TELECOM Digest, but I do not sell telephone gimmicks; I do not hawk for long distance companies; nor do I sell tickets or get fees for advertising seminars conducted by Bell Labs people. The seminars are announced as a point of information for readers of the Digest and the related comp.dcom.telecom group of Usenet. I even give the same courtesy to the AT&T Education Center from time to time. If you would like to see more news about *your* organization, then send announcements to me for posting. I'll even type them in! Question to readers: Do you, or do you not enjoy/wish to read seminar/exhibition/conference announcements? Tell me, I'll summarize later. PT]