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Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #152
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Date: 21 Jul 89 17:50:06 GMT
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Subject: 7 bit refresh

RE:

>I need 64Kx1 dynamic RAM chips, like 4164's. They need to be 100 ns.
They need to work with 7 bit (128 cycle) refresh. I have called 20
different people (really! I counted!). Every single person I talked
to apparently didn't know what I was talking about. As I talked to
them, I could see (even through the phone!) this strange blank look
come across their face.

Am I the only one in the world who understands the difference between
7 and 8 bit refresh??? Am I going to have to buy 256K RAM chips and
waste 192K of RAM to make this project go???


Well I was able to locate data for 4 mfg of 64K DRAM and all but Toshiba
were 8 bit refresh. Note that ALL the data sheets for 256K DRAMS list them
as 256 refresh cycles/4 ms (A0-A7) including Toshiba. * bit refresh seems
to be the industry standard for 64K and 256K DRAMs.

The following info is from the respective mfg data sheets:

Toshiba: TMM41164P-2  128 refresh cycles/2ms(A0-A6) but only 120 ns

NEC: uPD41464-10 256 refresh cycles/4 ms (A0-A7) 100 ns

Hitachi: HM50465P,CP Series 256 refresh cycles/4 ms

TI: No longer lists 64K DRAM but the old(86) data sheets lists the TMS4164
as 256 refresh cycles/4 ms (A0-A7) 

Ed Kushall