Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncis.tis.llnl.gov!cwi.nl!piet From: piet@cwi.nl (Piet Beertema) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway Subject: Re: an apology to Steve, and more discussion ... Message-ID: <8907211017.AA07604@sering.cwi.nl> Date: 21 Jul 89 10:17:35 GMT References: <8907192354.AA22516@tis.llnl.gov> Sender: root@ncis.tis.llnl.gov Distribution: inet Organization: The Internet Lines: 16 Approved: post-x400-gateway@tis.llnl.gov The X.400 people I've talked to have the attitude "TCP/IP? We don't care about them. X.400 is an international standard, we support it.", "We provide service to our customers for internal email, and we're working on a few interexchange agreements with some other vendors." That's indeed the ivory tower point of view that is so characteristic of a lot of X.400 (and OSI, for that matter) people. It's the point of view that is destructive to good internetworking. It's also the point of view that completely disregards the NEED of a very large part (mostly academic) of the X.400 "community" to talk to the Internet and other networks. That's why a lot of their socalled "internal email" will in fact be external email for a long time to come! Piet