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From: philip@coms.axis.fr (Philip Peake)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: EUnet, unido and USENET
Summary: explanation
Keywords: unido, blacklisting, domain .de, subnet,
Message-ID: <1989Jul20.102927.26127@coms.axis.fr>
Date: 20 Jul 89 10:29:27 GMT
References: <588@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> <882@corpane.UUCP> <8594@attctc.DALLAS.TX.US> <8276@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>
Organization: Axis Digital, Paris, France
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In article <8276@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, dhesi@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
> In article <1989Jul18.121524.15171@coms.axis.fr> philip@coms.axis.fr (Philip
> Peake) writes:
> >PLEASE DON'T TELL US THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO OTHER PEOPLE.
> >Because giving away free news feeds is exactly that.
> >
> >They are free to get their own news feeds, and set up their own
> >networks - but we WILL NOT subsidise them.
> 
> Well, I re-read what I wrote, and I find that my suggestion was to
> recover full costs for providing newsfeeds from those that directly get
> news from unido.
> 
> I fail to see how that constitutes giving away free newsfeeds, or
> subsidizing others.

Ok, expressed as simply as I can express it:

We, us, EUnet members can be considered as a group of people who have
clubbed together to spread the exhorbitant telecoms costs for news between
us.

Ok so far ?

Now, along come other people, who say "We don't want to join your club,
we don't want to contribute to your costs - we just insist that you give
us all this lovely news that you have paid the transport costs for."

Now, they CAN say that they consider our partitioning of the costs as being
unfair - and they CAN propose other solutions. But they can't INSIST that
we adopt them - if they don't like it, and they think that there is
a better/cheaper way, then fine - let them go ahead and do it themselves.

All I will say about that is that EUnet has been going for about 10 years
now, and we have LOTS of experience of what does and what doesn't work.
Many people have tried to do it their way, and none of them have
suceeded.

What you seemed to be saying was something like; it doesn't cost you
anything to actually give away a news feed to these people.

This man or may not be true - I insist that it would cost something, if only
the extra CUP cycles and disk space - buts lets be generous, and presume
that we had both to spare (which ISN'T the case ..)

Now, why should I continue to pay EUnet fees, when I can get a free feed
from these new sites ?

Why should anyone ?
So you would end up with a backbone site with no paying connections.
they can't afford to run that, so it all breaks.

It would simply destroy the existing system - and as I said above,
experience has show that nothing else works.

We are not about to destroy our own system - let market forces and
competition do it - as people keep saying!

Let these people set up their own free news scheme, and EUnet will just
go away (actually, it will just take a free feed ...)

Is this clear ?
Can you see where the problem lies ?

Philip