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From: charlie@mica.stat.washington.edu (Charlie Geyer)
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Subject: Re: Changes to Alternative Newsgroup Hierarchies
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Date: 24 Jul 89 04:53:21 GMT
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In article <5205@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) says of 
the gnu.* groups:

> They're not mailing lists.
>
> They are distributed as newsgroups, listed in the alternate newsgroup
> posting, and show up all over the country wherever people are liberal or
> careless in their sys files. There is no attempt made to monitor or to
> control distribution.

As other posters have made very clear, they are the GNU project mailing
lists, which for the convenience of the rest of us, not for any benefit
to the GNU people, are being distributed using the news software.

> Basically, I think this change is a bad thing. I think it should be 
> discussed in an orderly fashion (i.e. without flaming ... you think you
> can do that?).

I took my cue from you.

In the article that started this <5202@ficc.uu.net> you wrote:

> OK, everyone who didn't like sci.skeptic ... have at it. This is rather
> heavy-handed censorship. If Stallman wants a playpen, I think ...

You don't call this flaming?  What I said was very mild by comparison.

I won't bother to respond point by point to your point by point critique
of my last posting, which would get us up to about 200 lines.  I do think
the guidelines for UseNet are a good thing.  However most of them are
constantly ignored, just like your postings in this thread ignore the 
postings in news.announce.newusers especially "A Primer on How to Work 
With the USENET Community" and "Dear Emily Postnews."