Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!hplabs!hp-pcd!hplsla!tomb From: tomb@hplsla.HP.COM (Tom Bruhns) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: How can I fool the motion sensors connected to our lights? Message-ID: <5170044@hplsla.HP.COM> Date: 19 Jul 89 16:09:31 GMT References: <358@gorn.santa-cruz.ca.us> Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 32 larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) writes: > Passive infrared detectors (PIR) for use in security and energy >management systems detect MUCH longer wavelength IR, with typical spectral >sensitivity in the range of 2 to 12 microns (2,000 to 12,000 nm). The >actual characteristics of these sensors depend upon the sensor manufacturer >and the bandpass of the protective cover. The cover will, for example, >typically NOT pass any energy below 2 microns so as to preclude interference >from ambient light. After all, the function of a PIR is to detect body heat, >and NOT be influenced by the effects of ambient light. NIR is too close >to ambient light to be detected. > ><> Larry Lippman @ Recognition Research Corp. - Uniquex Corp. - Viatran Corp. ><> UUCP {allegra|boulder|decvax|rutgers|watmath}!sunybcs!kitty!larry ><> TEL 716/688-1231 | 716/773-1700 {hplabs|utzoo|uunet}!/ \uniquex!larry ><> FAX 716/741-9635 | 716/773-2488 "Have you hugged your cat today?" >---------- The PIR detectors used in my house to turn on/off lights are sensitive to the heat of a woodstove and to direct sunlight (perhaps interrupted by swaying trees). This may give you some ideas: for example, you could pulse a 300W/120V lamp with, say, 10 or 20 volts, and get a lot of IR but not much visible light. If you know where the sensor is, you could focus the IR toward it. Also interesting to note: In the (real) old days of IR spectrometry, spectrometer rooms were lined with 100 watt lights; if you moved from one place to another, you were supposed to turn on a light where you left and turn one off where you went. That was supposed to cause the least disruption to the IR background. So you are probably roughly equivalent to a 100 watt lamp in an IR sense. (Experiments may show you can get by with something much smaller than the 300W lamp suggested; you could try a "heat lamp" with integral reflector envelope for focussing...)