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From: gazit@romeo.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: understanding from the outside
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Date: 22 Jul 89 15:08:55 GMT
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In article <12870@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> travis@douglass.cs.columbia.edu (Travis Lee Winfrey) writes:

>So, given the preponderance of white men in this forum, is it possible
>that actual communication here will never be more than rudimentary?

Yup, but to achieve that goal you'll have to talk *to the subject*;
not about the sex/race of the poster.  

Why don't you try it sometime?

>after the endless, tedious discussions of Affirmative Action and, most

What do you try to say?   IMO AA is an appropriate subject to soc.feminism,
and if you don't think so you can debate with the moderators (in e-mail).

I know that you don't like to hear about AA, and it's your right to put the
subject in your KILL file, but other people may have other opinions.

>recently, the raging flames in soc.women of how Alice Walker is really

What do you try to say?  Soc.women is a *different* group, you know.

>the anti-Christ, I tend to lose hope.  after all, it seems that a large
>number of positions can be predetermined by simply noting whose ox gets
>gored.  White men -- no different than anyone else -- will vigorously
>attack any perceived assaults on them.

That's the way we are.  If you don't like it, you can look for another forum.
Look how many options women have:

1) Soc.women.
2) Comp.society.women (moderated by a feminist woman).
3) Soc.feminism (moderated by four women, three of them are feminists).
4) Feminist mailing list (no anti-feminist articles).
5) Lesbian & bisexual women mailing list.
6) "Informal" (not mentioned in newusers net) women only mailing list.

If none of them is good enough for them then they (and you) are free to
open another mailing list or try to open another newsgroup.

To publish "call for vote" for soc.feminism, mention that anti-feminist
articles by men will be allowed, and afterward cry loud why men publish
anti-feminist articles is not honest.

If you did not like the proposition you could vote against it.

Hillel                          gazit@cs.duke.edu
                    
"People who can't address real issues in any coherent fashion resort to
analogies...and usually incredibly *bad* ones..." ---  Diane Holt