Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: bnr-fos!bnr-public!davem@watmath.waterloo.edu (Dave Mielke) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Predestination and Judgement Message-ID: Date: 21 Jul 89 07:53:59 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 29 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article jamesa@amadeus.la.tek.com (James Akiyama) writes: >I believe that here Christ means that "all of (the nation) Israel will be >saved". I believe, however, that this does not necessarily imply all of the >people of Israel but rather a large enough portion, so that Israel, as a whole, >will be saved as a nation. This comment is referring to Romans 11:25-26 which says "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:". This cannot be true. I suggest that you have a very close look at Romans 9:27 which says "Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:". Dave Mielke, 613-726-0014 856 Grenon Avenue Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2B 6G3 [The problem with using 9:27 in this context is that may be referring to the present situation, also described in 11:7-10, where most of Israel is hardened. 11:25-27 is referring to some time in the future when God will reverse this. So I don't think that 9:27 alone will solve our problem. Exegesis of 11:25-27 is going to have to be made on a broader context and understanding of what Paul meant. --clh]