Xref: utzoo comp.edu:2377 comp.lang.misc:3196 Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!watmath!iuvax!mailrus!ames!eos!eugene From: eugene@eos.UUCP (Eugene Miya) Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: Which language to teach first? Message-ID: <4552@eos.UUCP> Date: 2 Aug 89 17:01:27 GMT References: <3876@shlump.nac.dec.com> <205@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Reply-To: eugene@eos.UUCP (Eugene Miya) Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Calif. Lines: 31 Well gee, this debate again...... Time to go, but some observations since the last time I read this (before .newsrc needed reconstructing) 0) Resolved in the past that multilingual environments were the way to go. 1) It's been interesting talking to a physicist about LISP ["Why would any one want to use a language like this?..."]. He does see value in it now. But still thinks we're crazy. 2) We took on a HS summer student (interested in fluid dynamics not CS, but knew BASIC). He said that his BASIC was carried over into his vector Fortran and C (lots of tight loops). The point being that hardware can influence thinking as much as software. And people use computers for performance as well as flexibility. 3) I feel sorry for any student who has to learn Pascal as a first language these days. [considering my old X3J9 days] Time for some one to start up a cron file to post resolution on this frequently asked discussion. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Another gross generalization from --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@aurora.arc.nasa.gov resident cynic at the Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers: "You trust the `reply' command with all those different mailers out there?" "If my mail does not reach you, please accept my apology." {ncar,decwrl,hplabs,uunet}!ames!eugene Live free or die.