Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!lll-winken!uunet!ncis.tis.llnl.gov!cwi.nl!piet From: piet@cwi.nl (Piet Beertema) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway Subject: Re: an apology to Steve, and more discussion ... Message-ID: <8908010904.AA03753@sering.cwi.nl> Date: 1 Aug 89 09:04:11 GMT References: <1628@ethz.UUCP> Sender: root@ncis.tis.llnl.gov Distribution: inet Organization: The Internet Lines: 29 Approved: post-x400-gateway@tis.llnl.gov X.400 connectivity in most organizations is based on DECNET and TCP/IP while, due to costs and unavailability of an Internet in Europe The latter is rapidly changing. X.400 systems have been connected to the Internet from quite some time now (I've been running a gateway from the Swisswide academic X.400 network to CSNET since 1986, for instance). Yes, and right here at the heart of EUnet I've seen all the problems and failures caused by numerous ad hoc (named "official" though) gateways passing by. Some time ago it was stated that "European e-mail is a mess"; well, it wasn't before all those X.400 gateways came into existence! RARE MHS connects you to about 50 different networks, *including* all Internet domains, so what's the point here? Network congestion, address mangling, unwillingness to cooperate with other networks, etc. etc. That's the point here. Piet, why do you continue to willingly post misinformation, despite the fact that you should know better and that this won't help anybody? I'm not posting any misinformation whatsoever, I'm just presenting facts, facts that some communities (e.g. RARE) prefer to close their eyes for. Ivory tower is a correct description of such an attitude. Piet