Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!DFNGATE.BITNET!RIOVM From: RIOVM@DFNGATE.BITNET Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: (none) Message-ID: <8908050014.AA18677@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 5 Aug 89 00:14:42 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 499 X-Unparsable-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 89 02:10 CET Added from the X.400/EARN-Gateway: Undeliverable Mail Notification message, may be wrong recipient Received: from DEARN.BITNET by DFNGATE.BITNET.DBP.DE (Mailer R2.03B) with BSMTP id 6738; Sat, 05 Aug 89 02:10:23 EST Received: by DEARN (Mailer R2.01) id 4481; Sat, 05 Aug 89 02:10:16 EST Date: Fri, 4 Aug 89 15:43:21 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: INFO-ATARI16 Discussion Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was Info-Atari16-request@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was INFO-A16@MARIST From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V89 #364 To: Robert Weissenfels Info-Atari16 Digest Friday, August 4, 1989 Volume 89 : Issue 364 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: DeskJets and Atari Parallel Port Data Free Re: DeskJets and Atari Parallel Port Flash/Shadow and QuickST Re: Why is Pexec() getting flaky on my ST? TeX on Atari ST GDOS ZOO sources RE: COLD BOOT in GFA Basic. Re: boot problem with Seagate ST 157N Re: VIP PROFESSIONAL AND ARCHIVE SITE Re: Folded vs STedi Re: CMI Accelerator Board ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jul 89 18:25:28 GMT From: hp-pcd!hpvcfs1!neff@hplabs.hp.com (Dave Neff) Subject: DeskJets and Atari Parallel Port To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I have been conspicuously silent with respect to the Atari ST parallel port current sink limit and DeskJet/DeskJet+ pullup resistors. You see, here's my dilema: The Atari ST is not officially supported for use with the DeskJet printers. This means we have not tested the printer and our support people will be next to useless in resolving problems. They won't tell you to "take a hike, its not supported", rather our support people simply lack Atari expertise to help with any significant technical problems. Furthermore, I am unable to test and verify any of the proposed solutions to the current limit problem. Using the 7407 buffer on the data and strobe lines should work fine, but as an HP representative I cannot say this is the "HP recommended" solution. You also could use the serial port at 19.2 K baud (in most cases this will not hurt performance) but I have been told by Atari users there are various gotchas when trying to print out the serial port. I still fail to understand how the DeskJet+ could damage an Atari, even though there is one case of anecdotal evidence to the contrary. The current limit could result in marginal logic levels on data and especially strobe, but if the Atari can only sink 1.6ma thats fine, and if the printer tries to draw more the Atari simply cannot supply it -- how can this damage the Atari? If I had an Atari I would definately buffer the parallel port with the 7407 for logic level reliability if nothing else. If you have sent me mail about this problem and I haven't answered I'm sorry and I hope this posting explains the situation somewhat. I hope this posting is at least slightly better than nothing. I have encouraged our support people to make a specific statement on Atari support especially relating to the current limit on the parallel port but so far they have not come up with an official position. Dave Neff neff@hpvcfs1.HP.COM ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 89 22:33:38 GMT From: blake!bissiri@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Moja Fritzah) Subject: Data Free To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Phone number for Data Free, anybody???? Thanks -kevin bissiri@blake.acs.washington.edu ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 01:17:30 GMT From: avogel@g.ms.uky.edu (Andrew Lee Vogel) Subject: Re: DeskJets and Atari Parallel Port To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I have built a cable with the 7407s and use the Tools TeX driver with no problems, no problems about turning on the computer and printer in various orders either. I do have one question, some hp laserjet drivers work and some don't. My observation: Is it the case that the drivers that work have the computer do "everything" while those that don't want to download fonts to the printer? When attempting to print TeX with a driver that doesn't work the built in printer fonts are used and so a mess is created. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 89 15:40:14 GMT From: pacbell!cpro!meadow!bill@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Bill Foster) Subject: Flash/Shadow and QuickST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu > > when I try to use Flash/Shadow with > QuickST I have all sorts of problems. No bombs (but I didn't > leave QuickST active long enough to know for sure...) but > QuickST does do a nice job of messing up the VT100/ANSI > screen commands. Enough to make the combinationccompletely > unusable. > This information is based on an older version of QQuickST. I > haven't tried the newest version, but one of the authors, QuickST 1.5 has fixed almost all of the vt52 terminal emulation descrepencies, except for that of setting colors (doesn't recognize the codes, prints garbage) This renders it unusable for me. BFOSTER = GEnie, WHTB33B = Prodigy {cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc} {c} <> Bill Foster <> | /|\ {c} {c} | {c} {c} /|\ | Vegetarians 4-ever {c} {cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc} {amdahl,hplabs,decwrl}!pacbell!cpro!meadow!bill ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 03:09:36 GMT From: att!chinet!saj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: Re: Why is Pexec() getting flaky on my ST? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Intensive testing of everything I could test intensively (I could still use an industrial strength RAM test program) really didn't turn anything up. So in desperation, I re-copied the hard disk driver into the auto folder on my boot-up disk. No more problem. Go figure. Steve J. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 89 09:56:29 MEZ From: Udo Heinrich Subject: TeX on Atari ST To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Hello! I want to tell you something about a new Sharware Programm for the Atari ST. It's called TeX and might be known by everybody. TeX was developed by E. Knuth in over 10 years hard work. It was written in WEB, a kind of mega pascal language which is not computer-orientated. So it was possible to transfirm TeX to "every" kind of computer, also on the Atari ST. But what is TeX. I thing some of you know Signum!2 from Application Systems Heidelberg. TeX is Signum!2 times Signum!2. TeX is a program that brings your words in the right form, makes for you a table of contents automatically and footnotes are no more a problem. But the best of all is the possibility of TeX to make your equation look like in a book. For example: You type in: $(x+y)=xc2+2xy+yc2$ and the result is ... (Sorry, but the monitor can't show you.) TeX is like a programming language. You have if-cases and so on. So you want to know something about TeX? Here is a little literature-list: -for german users: Helmut Kopka; LaTeX, eine Einfuehrung; Addison- Wesley Publishing Company; Bonn 2. Auflage 1989 (very good, easy to understand, to get results) -for everyone: D. E. Knuth; The TeXbook; Addison-Wesley P. C.; 1984 (the original, to know everything about TeX) L. Lamport; A Document Preparation System; A.-W. P. C. (written by the author of LaTeX, good but I prefare H. Kopka) TeX knows all features you need to write a nice letter, your works and everything else. Another helpful thing ist that you can write your TeX-text on an editor by your choice. TeX-inputfiles are always ASCII-Files. So you can copy some files from your VMS- or SUN-machine and work with it at home (but the up-side-down way is quite more interesting, because of the possibility to use the laser-printer of your university and so on). But what's the new on this 5th version of TeX on Atari ST computers? Really easy to understand, when I tell you that it is translated into Turbo-C and compiled. This version is much more faster than the other and not so expensive because it is shareware. The price for this TeX-version incl. a shell, a screen- and a print- previewer, fonts, a short-instruction and several style-files (you need them to write a book, article, report, letter, descriptions,...), LaTeX and the 'german-language-file',... is 20 Deutsche Marks for a unregistrated version and 60 Deutsche Mark for a registrated version. The registrated version incl. one backup and a note for every following backups and online-telephone-help for your problems. The package incl. 3 disks packed by ARC (ARC is incl.; makes something about 6 Deutsche Marks for one disk). And where can you get that really good stuff?? Stefan Lindner Iltisstrasse 3 8510 Fuerth West Germany (if you don't live in West German call Mr. Lindner first, because of the price!) If you order a version please note, that the price above is the price for orders in West Germany, other lands have different prices because of the post costs. If you order a version please write a note that you got the information from like this: "Informations about this TeX version by Udo Heinrich, #00091!" If you want some more informations send OONNEE SSMMAALL note to me. Hope the information was useful Udo Heinrich ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 05:28:08 GMT From: blake!themod@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Chris Hinton) Subject: GDOS To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Hello, I just got a spreadsheet program off the net. Maybe you too have seen it, its called Opus and it seems to be just the thing I have been looking for. But, alas, there is one small problem. In order to do charting from the program one has to have GDOS. Well, I thought, I'll just pull the GDOS stuff off my DEGAS disk and use it here. No, that didn't work. To make a long story short, if that is still possible, does anybody out there have any idea how to get this damn thing to work. I sure haven't figured it out yet. You can either mail me a reply, or post your response here. Makes no diff to me. Thanks in advance. Chris Hinton ---- themod@blake.acs.washington.edu Mod Software Systems Seattle, Wa 98195 "Why didn't you tell me he had one of those... things?" - The Joker. "My life is really...complex." - Bruce Wayne. "Excuse me... What does God need with a starship?" - James T. Kirk. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 89 14:38 N From: Subject: ZOO sources To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu X-Original-To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu, AWINFHAH Does anybody know where I can obtain the sources of ZOO? I do not have access to FTP, but I can access most mail servers. Thanks in advance, -Roger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 89 15:12 N From: Subject: RE: COLD BOOT in GFA Basic. To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu X-Original-To: atari16, TOXI_CE Subject: RE: COLD BOOT RESET GFA CODE > I'm armed only with the GFA version 2.0 manual, nothing else. I >am looking for GFA VERSION 2.0 code that will cause a COLD BOOT. Many >thanks.... >Larry Rymal in wet and flooded East Texas I wonder why you would want to do a cold boot in GFA-basic, but I think this will do it: Slpoke &H420,0 ! Clear Memvalid (makes next boot COLD) Void Gemdos(32,L:0) ! Go in to supervisor mode ' you can void the result, since there is ' no return form a reset Reset%=Lpeek(4) ! Get reset vector Call Reset% ! Jump there +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Evelo TOXI_CE@HNYKUN51 (BITNET/EARN) | an underscore _ not -. will change to: MFAGKCHR@HMARL5 ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 04:15:04 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@uunet.uu.net (Peter Ted Szymonik) Subject: Re: boot problem with Seagate ST 157N To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Try setting the HD to an even SCSI setting (0,2,4) Seagates seem to have a problem with odd SCSI numbers with the ST. Peter Szymonik Xorg@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 13:10:14 GMT From: cs.dal.ca!silvert@uunet.uu.net (Bill Silvert) Subject: Re: VIP PROFESSIONAL AND ARCHIVE SITE To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article CHIASSA@UDEM.BITNET (Alyre CHIASSON) writes: > I just purchased VIP PROFESSIONAL yesterday and as the shrink wrap > looks old and manual has a 1986 copyright date I was wondering if > someone could tell me the version number of the latest release. My version, which is I believe the latest, is 1.2. The GEM verson (PROFESS.PRG) carries a copyright date of 1986, the Lotus look-alike version is copyright 1987, but both are 1.2. -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division. Bedford Institute of Oceanography, Dartmouth, NS, Canada B2Y 4A2 UUCP: ...!{uunet,watmath}!dalcs!biomel!bill Internet: biomel@cs.dal.CA BITNET: bs%dalcs@dalac.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 89 22:07:28 GMT From: portal!atari!kbad@uunet.uu.net (Ken Badertscher) Subject: Re: Folded vs STedi To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu t19@nikhefh.hep.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) writes: | I just played around a bit with Folded. [ benchmarks deleted ] | I still do not like its concept of folding-by-indentation or seperate file | too much. The info in the file does not look too bad. I'm sorry, but that fold info looked pretty nasty to me. I really like the way Todd has implemented the folding, using separate files. I imagine this scheme must make the relational features of FOLDED easier to implement as well (and thus, easier for us to hack on! ;-). Your points about speed are right on, though - FOLDED could use quite a bit of optimizing. As you mentioned, though, Todd does explain in the documentation that it was brought up to be small and functional, and not necessarily a speed demon. One thing I really like is the way the screen redraws (from the line you're on outwards). But I too wish that it didn't redraw quite so much ;-). -- ||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad) ||| Atari R&D System Software Engine / | \ #include ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 07:35:03 GMT From: well!stevef@apple.com (Steven Robert Fordyce) Subject: Re: CMI Accelerator Board To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article 18478 of comp.sys.atari.st Michael B Vederman writes: > Well, after having waited with bated breath for the CMI accelerator board, I > would like to share my experiences with the rest of the net... [Stuff deleted] > CMI missed the first deadline, but promised that the board would go out in the > second week. This is not unusual (missing a release date) so I waited. By > the middle of the second week, I called CMI to confirm everything was on > schedule for me to receive my board. "No problem, we will ship by Friday." > > Friday July 14 rolls around, and I call CMI. "Your board has been shipped > second day (blue label) UPS. You should get it Tuesday." Finally, I thought. > Tuesday rolled around, and no delivery. The people at work were getting tired > of my ranting "Come on U.P.S. lady. (We have a female carrier)" So, I > thought, maybe it will get here Wednesday, you know how things are. > > By Wednesday, July 19, at 5 pm, when the UPS lady made her final pickup, I > had *NO* accelerator board. So, I called CMI. I spoke with Mark > something-er-other (Lilliane Carter's boss -she has been pleasent when I > spoke to her), and he said, "All boards were shipped today." Sure, I > thought, sure. "But I was told they shipped Friday." "They didn't and I > was the ***hole who told Lilliane to tell everyone they did." "How do I > know you shipped today?" "You don't, and I don't care if you don't believe > me." Hmmph! Mr Vederman was never intentionally misled -- we would have nothing to gain by doing so. For our part in the confusion we apologize. There was a delay in shipping the boards and for that I also apologize. We all did everything we could to get the product out on schedule, and I think it is safe to say we were just as anxious to get it out as anyone was to receive it, if not much more so. But we are human, and I am very sorry about any inconvenience the delay caused anyone. The boards, are now shipping, and have been for a couple of weeks. > Friday rolls around, and after a delay from UPS, I got the board. Looks nice, > although they used the Amiga box cover (no big deal). Instructions, all > parts, can't wait to get home and install it. > > Begin the trouble. The directions are clear enough if you want to do > a piggy-back method, but my ST already had a socket for the 68000, so now what? > According to the manual, you have to cut 3 pins for the piggy-back, and use > "fly-wires" to connect the board to the ST. Do I need this for the socket > installation? No answer in the manual. Trial and error, showed that they > were not needed. Actually, there are instructions for installing our product in an ST with the processor removed, and they are different from the piggy-back method and there are some fly-wires necessary. Mr Vederman went on to say that that neither his disk drive nor his hard disk would work with our board. This is cause he didn't put in the fly-wires as instructed in the manual. We did our best to make the manual clear and understandable, but we're human. I don't believe it's possible to make the manual clear and concise, and answer everyone's questions. That's why we have a full time customer service person. I've found Lilliane to be quite conscientious in helping customers with their problems. Installing our board, or in fact any product inside an ST, is not for the fainthearted. Unless they are comfortable with both circuit boards and soldering irons, we recommend our customers have their dealers install our product. Starting today, for people who buy an accelerator directly from us and send their computer into us, we will install our board for free. For those who break their ST trying to install our board themselves, we'll fix it for a flat $50, including return shipping. Mr. Vederman did call us, and Lilliane explained his trouble over the phone. And he got his board working. However, he wasn't able to get FAST-ROM to work for reasons we weren't able to determine over the phone. (The problem may well have been a defective part on our board. We do fully test all of our boards before we ship them, but still a small percentage fail in the field.) We offered to fix his machine with our board in it if he sent it to us (he didn't want to do this because he didn't want to lose the use of his computer -- quite understandable), or to send him a new board, or to refund his money. He chose the latter. Of course we are disappointed and are confident a new board would have solved his problem, but it was his choice. We've never had any allusions that we could please everyone. > Point of story: I have a $300 paper weight. No one is ever stuck with one our products. Within 15 days of getting any of our products, it may be returned for an reason for a full refund. And all of our products also carry a six month warranty. We guarantee our products to work and will do what ever it takes to see that they do, or refund the customers money. > - Michael B. Vederman Steven R Fordyce tektronix!sequent!calvin!stevef Creative Microsystems, Inc., 19552 SW 90th Court, Tualatin, Oregon 97062 For customer service call Lilliane at (503)691-2552. ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------