Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!unmvax!nmtsun!john From: john@nmtsun.nmt.edu (John Shipman) Newsgroups: rec.birds Subject: Birdwatchers vs. bird owners Keywords: purpose of rec.birds, tolerance, extinction Message-ID: <3012@nmtsun.nmt.edu> Date: 29 Jul 89 17:49:25 GMT Organization: Zoological Data Processing Lines: 36 Although I'm a birdwatcher and not a bird owner, I for one don't mind the pet bird postings. I'm curious about birds generally, and I find the discussions of bird behavior and diet quite informative. This is a low-volume group; even though this week was the first time I ever had to use subject search in rec.birds, the volume is nowhere that of most of the groups I plow through. The suggestion that the bird owners move to rec.pets is an old one. They have often replied that they have trouble finding bird postings amongst the many cat and dog items. I don't think splitting up rec.pets or rec.birds will work either; I have seen efforts to split groups out of rec.music.misc fail repeatedly despite much larger interest groups. Finally, I'd like to throw one entirely gratuitous flame in the direction of the bird owners. Please try to avoid buying birds that were taken from the wild. There are many species being bred in captivity, so whether you like them small or large, quiet or vocal, you have many choices that don't diminish dwindling wild populations. I commend the efforts of breeders to establish self-sustaining captive populations. And please don't tell me that the Black-and-Blue Macaw is plentiful enough in the wild to survive some harvesting. The passenger pigeons used to blacken the sky. Now they're extinct. -- John Shipman/Zoological Data Processing/Socorro, New Mexico USENET: ucbvax!unmvax!nmtsun!john CSNET: john@nmtsun.nmt.edu ``A lesson from past over-machined societies...the devices themselves condition the users to employ each other the way they employ machines.'' --Frank Herbert