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From: bjb@ncrorl.Orlando.NCR.COM (Barbara Bowen)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Wild caught v. domestic (was Birdwatchers vs. bird owners)
Message-ID: <558@ncrorl.Orlando.NCR.COM>
Date: 1 Aug 89 17:20:28 GMT
References: <3012@nmtsun.nmt.edu> <1316@intercon.UUCP> <8915@cs.Buffalo.EDU>
Organization: NCR Systems Engineering - Orlando
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>>In article <3012@nmtsun.nmt.edu>, john@nmtsun.nmt.edu (John Shipman) writes:
>>> ...  Please try to avoid
>>> buying birds that were taken from the wild.  ...
>In article <1316@intercon.UUCP> ooblick@intercon.uucp (Mikki Barry) writes:
>>that the birds that are now coming in are in such sorry shape due to habitat
>>destruction and lack of adequate nutrition, that the birds will soon die
 
True - not much vegitation in a parking lot.
 
In article <8915@cs.Buffalo.EDU> you write:
>Sorry, Mikki, but this reminds me a lot of the idea that we have to shoot
>deer in order to "save" them from starvation ...  

Have you never heard of relocation programs?  Who mentioned shooting???
(Unless, of course, you are referring to the "Great Cockatoo Slaughters"
of Australia.)

>...and done by appropriate agencies, or at least through them.  It is my
>opinion that the "agent" doing the captive breeding program should be
>a government or UN agency, or the IUCN, or the World Wildlife fund, or ...
>
>David Mark
>dmark@cs.buffalo.edu
 
There are more than enough "Government Agencies" accomplishing less with
more tax money than ever before.  "If you're not part of the solution,
then you're part of the problem."  If you want a better environment, you
have to do something yourself, not wait for some government agency to
do your work for you.

Those birds listed as endangered species are not allowed into this country
as imports.  One needs a FEDERAL PERMIT in order to own/transport/whatever
existed in this country prior to being declared endangered.  (See CITES.)
In most states, one also needs a state permit to breed exotics (birds, fish,
reptiles, whatever).  One must meet habitat, dietary and sanitary require-
ments, and is subject to surprise inspections by the State Wildlife and/or
animal control.  There are also laws PROHIBITING setting these exitics
free.  If their own country doesn't want them, and no other country can
take them in, perhaps extinction is the only recourse?

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