Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ncar!ames!vsi1!wyse!mips!mark From: mark@mips.COM (Mark G. Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: A whole lot of fun Message-ID: <24320@obiwan.mips.COM> Date: 30 Jul 89 01:50:19 GMT References: <23631@obiwan.mips.COM> Lines: 81 Recetly I posted a design problem which was claimed to be "a whole lot of fun" to solve, mostly because it required a minimum-parts-cost design. (And thus rewarded "clever" circuits). The problem was to vary the voltage applied to a 50 ohm load depending on the value of a variable-resistance sensor, with this xfer function: Voltage applied to load (% of 12V supply) | | >99% |----------+ | \ (approximately linear curve but | . \ not required to be perfectly precise) | . \ | . \ !! NOTE: 50% | . +-------------- | . . resistance of pressure- o----------|----|----------------> sensitive transducer 5K 10K ohms The two most interesting replies used very different approaches. One circuit employed two discrete transistors: X1 VCC 1 /* (Transducer: 5K - 10K) $1.00 */ R1 1 GND 11K /* $0.01 */ R2 1 2 30K /* $0.01 */ Q1 VCC 2 3 NPN-small /* $0.08 */ DZ1 4 3 4.7V /* Zener diode $0.05 */ R3 4 GND 4.7K /* $0.01 */ Q2 5 4 GND NPN-power /* $0.20 */ R4 2 5 150K /* $0.01 */ D2 5 3 diode /* $0.02 */ RX VCC 5 50 /* load */ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL COST $1.39 The second approach used an opamp. Although one way to account for this is to charge 1/4 the cost of a quad opamp pkg, I decided to count it as 1x the full cost of a dual opamp pkg. Computing parts cost the other way, the price would be $1.39 (same as the previous design). R1 VCC 1 100K /* $0.01 */ R2 GND 1 5K /* $0.01 */ R3 1 2 33K /* $0.01 */ R4 2 3 1.5M /* $0.01 */ A1 3 0 5 2 /* OPAMP with out = 3, in+ = 5, in- = 2 $0.20 */ R5 3 4 250 /* $0.01 */ Q1 6 4 VCC PNP-power /* $0.20 */ R6 6 5 100K /* $0.01 */ X1 5 GND /* (Transducer: 5K - 10K) $1.00 */ DZ1 6 4 4.7V /* Zener diode $0.05 */ C1 6 4 0.1U /* $0.03 */ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL COST $1.54 The discrete circuit is rather non-precision, as it does not compensate for the temperature-sensitive VBE's or the finite base currents. However it certainly *is* inexpensive, mostly because it doesn't need any capacitors for stability. The opamp circuit *does* need frequency-compensation elements (R3,R4,C1) which adds $0.05 to the cost. However, this topology is much more likely to be linear than the previous circuit. Note that the opamp must handle input signals very near GND, and put out an output signal near VCC. Interestingly, both circuits used the same "trick" to get the breakpoint at (10K, 50%-of-VCC). A zener diode is placed across the collector-base junction of the power transistor, to limit the collector-emitter voltage drop at 6 volts or less. (DZ1 and D2 in the first ckt, DZ1 in the second). Special thanks to Charles Flaig of Apple and TomB of HP for the two most interesting (and lowest cost) solutions. -- -- Mark Johnson MIPS Computer Systems, 930 E. Arques, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 ...!decwrl!mips!mark (408) 991-0208