Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!aero!travis@douglass.cs.columbia.edu From: travis@douglass.cs.columbia.edu (Travis Lee Winfrey) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: sex/gender Message-ID: <6419@columbia.edu> Date: 28 Jul 89 18:17:17 GMT References: <8907071844.AA10158@cattell.psych.upenn.edu> <10546@polya.Stanford.EDU> <12869@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <10781@polya.Stanford.EDU> <3118@cadre.dsl.PITTSBURGH.EDU> <10865@polya.Stanford.EDU> Sender: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Reply-To: elroy!ames!douglass.cs.columbia.edu!travis (Travis Lee Winfrey) Followup-To: soc.feminism Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Status: R In article <10865@polya.Stanford.EDU> elroy!ames!polya.stanford.edu!holstege (Mary Holstege) writes: >So let me try to drag the conversation back to more >general issues, rather than contesting each study one by one. > >My general points are these: > >(1) The evidence for most -- strike that -- for the overwhelming >majority of putative sex-based differences is not only not >compelling, as its proponents would have us believe, it is not even >very good. > >(2) What evidence there is is widely accepted uncritically (and I >mean here not by scientists primarily but by policy makers at one >level and another) and overinterpreted (read: misinterpreted) >primarily because it justifies extant inequalities. People interested in this discussion might want to read the following books: Violence Against Women: A Critique of the Sociobiology of Rape Suzanne R. Sunday and Ethel Tobach, editors Gordian Press: NY, 1985 This covers in detail many of the arguments Mary Holstege and others have already discussed. Particular attention is given to the logical difficulty of moving from studies on animals to conclusions about humans -- and a common propensity to make exactly these types of invalid conclusions, particularly when they support the status quo. The particular conflict that spurred the book was a paper from a certain biologist discussing rape as an evolutionary strategy. There is also Stephen Jay Gould's book on the Mismeasure of Man, which discusses science's long, erroneous, history of drawing conclusions about the abilities of entire races, as opposed to the two genders. I haven't read it yet, but the mental mechanism is clearly the same. t Arpa: travis@cs.columbia.edu Usenet: rutgers!columbia!travis