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From: jwi@lzfme.att.com (Jim Winer @ AT&T, Middletown, NJ)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Intelligence (was: IQ), Categorization (was: Racism)
Summary: What the quoted text says
Message-ID: <1560@lzfme.att.com>
Date: 15 Aug 89 19:13:28 GMT
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> Mark William Hopkins writes:
> *  
> *   There is nothing that IQ tests measure that is built into the architecture
> * of our brain in such a way as to remain static throughout our lives.  It is all
> * learnable and teachable.  That degree of abstraction in our knowledge and in
> * our ability to learn *is* what characterizes human intelligence.
> *      To assert that IQ is genetic is dangerously wrong for precisely that
> * reason, that it denies us our human endowment.
> 
> In article <1522@lzfme.att.com> jwi@lzfme.att.com (J.WINER) writes:
> * To assert that IQ is actually related to practical intelligence or
> * to the ability to think is dangerously wrong because it contradicts
> * reality.
> 
> Mark William Hopkins replies:
>
> This is exactly what the quoted text implies.

Jim Winer replies:

What the quoted text says is:

	"To assert that IQ is genetic is dangerously wrong for 
	precisely that reason, that it denies us our human endowment."

I repeat:

	1. IQ is genetic, whether static or not.

	2. To assert that IQ is actually related to practical
	   intelligence or to the ability to think is dangerously
	   wrong because it contradicts reality.

Sorry, but I don't think that your statements imply my statement at
all.

	3. To assert that the human race, 
	   or any individual member of it, 
	   because of IQ, 
	   is intelligent, 
	   is dangerously wrong because it contradicts reality.

Jim Winer ..!lzfme!jwi (Please don't email, unable to reply.)

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