Xref: utzoo comp.graphics:6946 rec.video:7553 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!att!ulysses!ggs From: ggs@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com (Griff Smith) Newsgroups: comp.graphics,rec.video Subject: Re: HDTV and ATV Glossary (TN32) Summary: evils of frame duplication Keywords: 525/59.94, 625/50, NTSC, PAL, SECAM, Component, Composite, Message-ID: <12045@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com> Date: 17 Aug 89 13:28:22 GMT References: <120919@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <121076@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <428@ctycal.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 42 In article <428@ctycal.UUCP>, ingoldsb@ctycal.COM (Terry Ingoldsby) writes: > In article <12027@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com>, ggs@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com (Griff Smith) writes: > > I assume this is part of the attempt to get rid of interlace so the > > computer graphics folks can avoid motion artifacts. > > ... What is so evil about interlace? > > > Interlace can be a real pain if you want to draw thin horizontal lines, or > diagonal lines that cause only a single pixel to be illuminated on a scan > line. In these cases the refresh rate is only the frame rate (eg. 30 Hz), > not the field rate, and flicker becomes quite annoying. You can > occasionally see this on poorly designed text overlaid during TV sports > programs. The flicker can be very visible. > -- > Terry Ingoldsby ctycal!ingoldsb@calgary.UUCP > Land Information Systems or > The City of Calgary ...{alberta,ubc-cs,utai}!calgary!ctycal!ingoldsb I don't think I've ever noticed this. If this is the kind of argument that is being used, I think the industry is putting something over on us. I HAVE noticed the following: to 1) When watching film on TV, pans get doubled (probably also tripled) images because the stationary images get frozen on my retina while I try to follow the apparent motion. If a 24 fps HDTV standard is adopted, with triple scanning of frames, I'm going to see tripled images any time the image pans. 2) When watching film on film, pans are horribly blurred because the image DOESN'T get frozen on my retina while I follow the apparent motion. IMAX is just as bad as the others. Does anyone know of attempts to build strobed theater projection systems that avoid this problem? Interlace seems to be an excellent way to cut the bandwidth in half while avoiding flicker and motion artifacts. Other than pressure from the movie industry, what are the other arguments for eliminating interlace? -- Griff Smith AT&T (Bell Laboratories), Murray Hill Phone: 1-201-582-7736 UUCP: {most AT&T sites}!ulysses!ggs Internet: ggs@ulysses.att.com