Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!att!pacbell!ames!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcvax!ukc!warwick!anduk!lee From: lee@anduk.co.uk (Liam R. Quin) Newsgroups: comp.text Subject: Re: em-dashes, ellipsis and English Usage (long) Summary: you can choose where to put punctuation Message-ID: <32@nx32s.anduk.co.uk> Date: 8 Aug 89 18:39:52 GMT References: <65590@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> <65736@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> <28@nx32s.anduk.co.uk> <1188@atanasoff.cs.iastate.edu> <30@nx32s.anduk.co.uk> <1128@sas.UUCP> Reply-To: lee@nx32s.UUCP (0000-Liam R. Quin) Organization: Unixsys (UK) Ltd, Warrington, England Lines: 34 In article <1128@sas.UUCP> bts@sas.UUCP (Brian T. Schellenberger) writes: >In article <30@nx32s.anduk.co.uk> I wrote: >|| These writers are sometimes known as `the Romantics'. >It should be noted, however, that American usage is to place periods inside >the quotes even if they represent the outside sentence. This is widespread. The cited example is particularly pendantic, I think. This is a *typographical* convention, however, not a copy preparation one. If you submit a typed manuscript (`copy') to a publisher, you should either check with them, or use the more pedantic style. That way, if they want to set your book in the `British Standard' style, they will be able to do so. > This is [...] in my opinion, more pleasing to the eye. > (With most fonts--it looks horrid, actually, with vertical quote marks.) I would tend to agree. Another alternative I have sometimes seen is to set the . as if it had less width than usual. In troff/TeX/... terms, one might have a kern pair for . ' so that the two nearly overlap. Or, in troff, you could try this\z.' One of the books on my desk (John Sculley/Odyssey) uses the BSI method, though, putting the full point after the quote when the quoted text at the end of the sentence is not itself a complete sentence. It's really only an issue with marks like ?, ! and ), I think. Lee -- Lee Russell Quin, Unixsys UK Ltd, The Genesis Centre, Birchwood, Warrington, ENGLAND, WA3 7BH; Tel. +44 925 828181, Fax +44 925 827834 lee%anduk.uucp@ai.toronto.edu; {utzoo,uunet}!utai!anduk!lee UK: uu.warwick.ac.uk!anduk.co.uk!lee