Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!microsoft!t-rayc From: t-rayc@microsoft.UUCP (Raymond Chen) Newsgroups: comp.text Subject: Re: WYSIWYG = DIY (=hubris) Message-ID: <7338@microsoft.UUCP> Date: 11 Aug 89 18:44:08 GMT References: <210927@<1989Jul28> <8800031@m.cs.uiuc.edu> <14903@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> <387@kunivv1.sci.kun.nl> <1438@hydra.gatech.EDU> Reply-To: t-rayc@microsoft.UUCP (Raymond Chen) Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA Lines: 30 In article <1438@hydra.gatech.EDU> rh26@prism.gatech.EDU (Howard,Robert L) writes: >>Question: can someone tell me that with a wysiwig it is just >>as easy to make a global design change? > >Yes, it is....if the person is smart enough to use styles (or style >sheets) in his document. The problem is that most people aren't smart enough to use styles. Having worked in a university computer help center, I've seen some amazingly ... "nonportable document conventions"... Since the system was WYSIWYG, they figured that if it looked good on the screen (and on the page), then their job was done. Nevermind that they did such amazingly inflexible things like using spaces to align tables or center headings, inserting hard returns to force page breaks, even manually typing the page number at the bottom of each page. Imagine my grief when they come in asking "I'd like to use font X instead of the font Y I've been using so far. But when I change the font, the formatting goes really screwy." The problem isn't whether WYSIWYG is "better" than batch processing. The problem is that WYSIWYG makes ignorance acceptable. (Followups to sci.edu regarding the hip-ness of admitting that "Oh, I don't know anything about science/math/computers.") The capabilities of each are (to the extent that most people need) equivalent. [Still, there are some things in TeX I have yet to see in a WYSIWYG system. Most of them involve carefully-calculated penalty and glue settings to achieve a desired effect in a robust manner.] -- Raymond Chen, mathematician by training ...!microsoft!t-rayc