Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!watmath!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!agate!apple!amdahl!amdcad!military From: rbeville@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM (Bob Beville) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Seacoast Mortars and Nukes Summary: devices to help direct gunfire Message-ID: <26690@amdcad.AMD.COM> Date: 10 Aug 89 04:08:44 GMT References: <8630@cbnews.ATT.COM* <8675@cbnews.ATT.COM> <8800@cbnews.ATT.COM> <8892@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: cdr@amdcad.AMD.COM Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 51 Approved: military@amdcad.amd.com From: rbeville@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM (Bob Beville) Talking about shooting at aircraft with support from visual and microphone triangulation 'spotters' ... This reference has a photo of an apparatus with this caption: "Sound Locator M-2 was standard for detecting and locating sounds in pre-RADAR days." The apparatus has three 'trumpet' like tubes about the diameter of a tuba... they have beams or support members that terminate down to a pedestal post where some hand-crank wheels appear( for rotation and elevation control like the ACK-ACK gun). An operator standing on the pedestal deck( he appears to rotate the thing he's standing on and stays put relative to the gear) looks like he's wearing WW2 pilot headphone gear. From the scale-height of this operator it's about 8 to 9 feet tall. no further details discerned... On the mouth of the Columbia River, these could as easily help locate ships coming over the bar. The battery emplacement at Fort Stevens that was sealed over with guns inside was a conversion of BATTERY MISHLER into an HECP: HARBOR ENTRANCE COMMAND POST. The battery was camouflaged by great physical effort to look like its surroundings. A salvage team wanted to scrap the guns/disappearing carriages to help the war effort scrap drive... they were after the lead carriage counterweights at 97,000 lbs. each; each steel gun barrel weighed 77,000 lbs ..... 237 tons in all! The battery, built in 1897, was thought too unsound to disturb, and because of the Oregon rainfall, the comm equipment would get leaked on through fractures in the structure. The guns were left alone until long after the war... The Fort Stevens Museum/Gift Store has a muzzle of one of the huge guns on exhibit... a 10-inch one. The rifling in the barrel looks to be one-half inch deep. my source... This is in Chapter 5, Coastal Defences in the Pacific Northwest discussing the fortifications of the Strait of Juan De Fuca, Puget Sound, Vancouver, Astoria, and the Columbia River... the forts and batteries, searchlights, tethered mines, and early RADARs. of: _SILENT_SIEGE_II, JAPANESE ATTACKS ON NORTH AMERICA IN WORLD WAR II Bert Webber, Webber Reasearch Group, Medford OR. that's -OWARI- from GLOWWORM-7-9-4 best regards, rbeville@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM Bob Beville, Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR 97077