Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ames!apple!well!elc From: elc@well.UUCP (Eric L. Cook) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: severe line noise Summary: Comments and ** WARNING *** Keywords: modem noise filter Message-ID: <13429@well.UUCP> Date: 31 Aug 89 21:18:35 GMT References: <434@tron.UUCP> <9411@chinet.chi.il.us> Reply-To: elc@well.UUCP (Eric L. Cook) Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 46 On the Chinet posting about a "Modem Noise Killer" I have a few comments about what I saw. First let me say I design modems for a living. What you are doing is not filtering noise but changing the impedance match on the phone line. A nominal phone line should be about 600 ohms, but a lot of phone lines run in the 750 to 1200 ohm range. As you can see there is not a very tight control over this spec. Impedance matching is important to a modem as the modem does a "4 wire to 2 wire conversion". That is 4 wire, (1)TX, (2)ground and (3)RX, (4)ground to 2 wires, Tip and Ring. In a perfect conversion when you transmit on the TX line you will not see your transmit signal on your incoming receive line. ( Its like if you where talking you could not hear yourself talk but you could hear the other person talk. ) Any time there is not a perfect match you can start to hear yourself talk. To a modem this shows up as noise on the receive signal affecting the signal to noise ratio. A 300 BPS modem needs a minimum 8 DB's of signal to noise ratio for a bit error rate of 1 x 10^-5. With a 2400 BPS reception you need a minimum of 17 DB's of S/N ratio for the same error rate! So you can see that noise can play a important part in modem transmission. The reason you are not filtering noise for better reception is that you are filtering the receive signal as well, and in doing this you are not improving the S/N ratio. !!!!!!!!!!!************ WARNING **************!!!!!!!!!!!!! (1) These changes that you are making ARE illegal. You are affecting a "public" network and the FCC has very heavy fines for such violations. (2) I see people quoting 100VDC, or 200VDC caps. The ring signal is 100 volts ***RMS***, not DC. A minimum of 250 volts is needed. Also the cap must be non-polarized. (3) If you live where there is lightning you are exposing yourself to a shock hazard by exposed metal parts. ( Resistor bodies, wires. ) There is the information, you can make the decision for yourself. Eric Cook